# Thefts prompt 18 states to urge recall of Kia, Hyundai cars **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 22, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213 "2023-04-22T14:06:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/1 "2023-04-22T14:06:56Z")
> **[Thefts prompt 17 states to urge recall of Kia, Hyundai cars](https://denvergazette.com/news/thefts-prompt-colorado-17-other-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/article_0c7f003f-1aff-59ac-a1ae-df6ea012f2c9.html?utm_source=dg-news-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert)** > > Attorneys general in 17 states want the federal government to recall millions of Kia and Hyundai cars because they are too easy to steal. Most Kia and Hyundai cars sold in the United States over the last decade do not have engine immobilizers. This... ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/2 "2023-04-22T14:21:21Z")
I was thinking of doing a business to fix this. $50 to drill and put a security screw in the ignition cylinder lock so that it can’t be removed with just a screw driver. Most cars need the key or use bolts with heads that break off or something like that to remove the ignition cylinder lock. I know they have the software fix using the keyless entry where locking the car with it electronically disables it. Problem is if something ever happens to the keyless entry device you’re stuck. Or if someone else who has only a key needs to unlock it and drive it they can’t. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/3 "2023-04-22T21:08:07Z")
I heard this same story on the radio news today, applying to the California Attorney General. One problem, news reporters have a difficult time explaining why this particular car is easier to steal than others. I expect part of the reason for the news-reporter’s obfuscation is they don’t want to further publicize the causes, less that info aids even more would-be car thieves. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/4 "2023-04-22T21:18:24Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > news reporters have a difficult time explaining why this particular car is easier to steal than others. They have a difficult time because they have no clue how any of this stuff works. Technology is beyond a great many of them. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/5 "2023-04-22T21:43:59Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > beyond a great many of [news reporters]. I’m hearing quite a bit of very unusual, sort of uneducated-sounding, wording on the radio these days. For example the other day someone (on NPR I think it was) was talking about libraries, and changes they are undergoing due to electronic books. The problem was, she was confusing the meaning of the words “borrow” and “loan”. i.e. in conventional word usage, the patron _borrows_ the book, and the library _loans_ the book. Instead she’d talk about a patron who “loans the book” … ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/6 "2023-04-22T21:59:45Z")
Clearly, schools are failing the media. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/7 "2023-04-22T22:01:09Z")
Do you notice this unusual, seemingly uneducated wording commonly used on the radio these days too? I was thinking I was the only one noticing. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/8 "2023-04-22T23:09:55Z")
Words mean different things to different people. Add live speech to mix and it makes perceived differences even greater. While words are important, I don’t think the example you gave is remarkable. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 11:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/9 "2023-04-22T23:16:42Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > I don’t think the example you gave is remarkable. ‘remarkable’ is a judgement call, but I think if a patron walked up to the desk to check-out a book at a local US-based public library and said “I’d like to loan this book”, the staff folks at the library would find that request pretty unusual. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/10 "2023-04-22T23:20:58Z")
They would loan it to you if you asked to borrow it. I doubt they would much care since the idea is communication, not grading everyone’s vocabulary. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/11 "2023-04-22T23:27:11Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > not grading everyone’s vocabulary. The issue isn’t so much vocabulary, “loan” being an actual word related to libraries. But this person was on the radio w/supposed library expertise, being interviewed about how libraries are being changed by electronic books. Using the word “loan” instead of the properly used “borrow” was adding to the confusion. Maybe she was using “borrow” on purpose, but if so, no idea what her point was. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/12 "2023-04-23T01:15:36Z")
No worries, the young people can’t sign there names to check out a book anyway unless texting is involved… ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 5:52am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/13 "2023-04-23T05:52:54Z")
How collectively dumb have we become that when a thief steals a car, we blame the car? ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/14 "2023-04-23T21:34:07Z")
With most car thefts now targeting Kia and Hyundai, it would be such an opportunety to catch thieves and put them in jail. ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/15 "2023-04-23T21:44:31Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > it would be such an opportunety to catch thieves and put them in jail. …for one night. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/16 "2023-04-23T22:29:54Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Words mean different things to different people. I have a habit of listening to a recent Car Talk podcast on Sunday mornings b/c that is when the show was broadcast on my local NPR station until a few years ago. On this morning’s podcast, Ray and Tom took a call from a lady with an engine performance problem, that improved (so she claimed) when her shop topped-off the oil level. During this discussion she continually referred to her car’s “oil tank”. I usually hear it referred to as the oil pan, the crankcase, or the sump. Apparently by “oil tank” she meant the place the end of oil dipstick goes. Pro mechanics that deal with customers all the time must have funny stories about the terminology some of the customers use. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/thefts-prompt-18-states-to-urge-recall-of-kia-hyundai-cars/190213/17 "2023-04-24T12:53:53Z")
Hyundai issued a free recall to fix this issue months ago. [Hyundai, Kia Provide Anti-Theft Software Update | NHTSA](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/hyundai-kia-campaign-prevent-vehicle-theft)