# The wolf in sheep's clothing EVs vs ICEs

**URL:** <https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [September 29, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678 "2021-09-29T19:14:05Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:17am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678/102 "2021-10-07T06:17:14Z")

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> [@bing](#):
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> Tolerance m’man tolerance

Yep she used to get PO’d when I used to tell her especialily in the winter time that the sun had enough sense not to get up before daylight I don’t tell her that anymore.

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**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678/103 "2021-10-07T06:20:20Z")

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Don’t get me wrong I like mornings they just come around to early for me.

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**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678/104 "2021-10-07T16:07:09Z")

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I was thinking about visits to Mom, not living there. I left home almost 50 years ago, and living with a parent isn’t something I think about much, unless the parent is moving in with me.

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**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678/105 "2021-10-07T19:40:50Z")

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Yeah, I never noticed it was so hot in there 30 years ago. I was acclimated, I guess.

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**Author:** ![bscar2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bscar2/32/2468_2.png) [@bscar2](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bscar2)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-evs-vs-ices/179678/106 "2021-10-09T14:35:26Z")

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> [@Triedaq](#):
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> One problem I see with EVs is the energy required to heat and cool the vehicle. In a vehicle with a liquid cooled internal combustion engine, the heat is free. An electric motor does not produce sufficient heat for the cabin

I know with my Bolt, the range goes down a good bit if I use my remote start and warm the car up. It goes from using 1kW to 7-8kW when idling, but at the same time, the car has warmed up faster than my former CX-7 took to warm up in the same conditions- I have my windows cleared of frost in less time with the Bolt.

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