# The rising price of fuel **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 19, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984 "2022-10-19T13:43:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/21 "2022-10-19T23:14:53Z")
The Morgan went out of production in 2021. Then new Super 3 uses a water cooled Ford 3 cylinder. Not as cool, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Beancounter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/59ef9b/32.png) [@Beancounter](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Beancounter)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/22 "2022-10-20T00:14:38Z")
I’m sorry to be blunt but exactly how much longer do we want to be hostage to the International Oil Markets instead of exploiting our abundant LNG, Wind and Solar? Does it make any sense that the Chinese are subsidizing their EV market while we’re still subsidizing our oil producers, restricting LNG producers and ignoring our ageing electrical infrastructure? The National Oil Reserve is a legacy of the 1970’s when we all relied on fuel oil for heat and gasoline for our cars but that’s rapidly changing. Keep a small amount for agricultural and industrial uses but sell the rest while the market is high and invest the proceeds into the electrical and LNG infrastructure. ---
**Author:** ![Beancounter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/59ef9b/32.png) [@Beancounter](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Beancounter)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/23 "2022-10-20T01:01:38Z")
Actuallly that the 3 wheel Morgan is still in production [https://www.morgan-motor.com/](https://www.morgan-motor.com/) but to correct others it was originally a JAP water cooled engine andis still the ultimate track car And The 4 wheel Morgan, handcrafted, custom built, a 1930’s design and a “crazy screamer” was owned by bad boys of the likes of Mick Jagger. Ultimate British design.with the Lotus 7/Caterham 7. Light, high power to weight and great handling . The counterpoint to the AC/Brisol, which become the AC/Cobra with the addition of a US V8 engine. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/24 "2022-10-20T01:25:27Z")
The strategic oil reserve at about 450 million gallons is still larger than it was in 1982. It has been as large as 700 million gallons. It’s meant for crisis situations I think the war in Ukraine qualifies as a crisis. Apparently you think so too although you don’t agree with the US Governments response. What should we save all that oil for? You can see a graph of the strategic oil reserve level at the top of the the reference below. > **[Strategic Petroleum Reserve (United States)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve_(United_States))** > > The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency stockpile of petroleum maintained by the United States Department of Energy (DOE). It is the largest publicly known emergency supply in the world, and its underground tanks in Louisiana and Texas have capacity for 714 million barrels (113,500,000 m3). The United States started the petroleum reserve in 1975 to mitigate future supply disruptions as part of the international Agreement on an International Energy Program, after oil supplies were ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/25 "2022-10-20T03:53:41Z")
> [@Beancounter](#): > > I’m sorry to be blunt but exactly how much longer do we want to be hostage to the International Oil Markets instead of exploiting our abundant LNG, Wind and Solar? How about we use less oil? I don’t mean accomplishing this by having more fuel efficient vehicles. I mean by changing the zoning laws that separate industrial, commercial and residential areas which forces people to commute. Show keepers used to live above their stores at one time. Ending the subsidy on roads, putting cargo back on trains. Having more public transportation. Putting an end to mile long traffic jams on highways like they were experimenting with in the 70s. Here’s a question for everyone: What portion of your income are you currently spending gasoline or diesel? I’m spending $90 per month which actually isn’t that bad. ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/26 "2022-10-20T05:02:35Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > Here’s a question for everyone: What portion of your income are you currently spending gasoline or diesel? I’m At current prices I spend about $150/week going to and from work. I live 38 miles away from my job. I work from home 1 week per month. Last summer between driving to work and having a son who plays baseballl on a travel team (lots of away tournaments) I put over 8000 miles on my car in 4 months. ---
**Author:** ![Hugemoth\_144444](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ee7513/32.png) [@Hugemoth\_144444](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Hugemoth_144444)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:09am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/27 "2022-10-20T09:09:39Z")
I question why so many people stretch their budget to buy low MPG vehicles when a high MPG vehicle would fit their needs. The history of gas prices should have been enough to for them to anticipate high prices would happen again. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/28 "2022-10-20T11:03:27Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > I mean by changing the zoning laws that separate industrial, commercial and residential areas which forces people to commute. Do you want to live next to a chemical refining plant? Poor people in Louisiana live right next to these facilities and have exceptionally high incidence of cancer. I’m going to die too soon as it is. I’m not going to increase the likelihood of an early demise by living next to a refinery or any other industrial facility. Also, your idea would mean families would live in high traffic areas, making streets even more unsafe for children. I like my quiet, clean residential neighborhood and I don’t want it ruined by industrial encroachment. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/29 "2022-10-20T19:49:46Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > What portion of your income are you currently spending gasoline or diesel? I’m retired geezer, still ambulatory so can walk or bicycle for most needed errands, & the majority of my income goes toward housing expenses; so I’m guessing maybe 5% for gasoline. I notice the majority of my (younger, employed) neighbors drive vehicles which seem much larger than they actually require, and a lot of their trips are with a vehicle capable of carrying 6 kids, instead they use it for a 15 minute trip to take a single child to soccer or music practice or the like. Most of their other drives, only the driver is in the car. I see the same driver come and go half a dozen times a day. As for the trips for the kids, seems like the kids could just go to those nearby events by walking or bicycling on their own. Parents these days are very afraid of the world at large. Part of the reason, lots of scary-looking (but probably not actually a threat) homeless encampments throughout the area. Scary news reports abound as well. So one solution for global warming, encourage folks to buy cars large enough to meet their needs, but no larger. ( Albert Einstein said the same about scientific theories: They should be as complicated as is necessary, but not more.) And let their kids make their own way by walking etc to local events. Finally, encourage drivers to combine several trips into just one trip. Anybody think any of these ideas will ever happen? … lol … ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/30 "2022-10-20T19:55:15Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > seems like the kids could just go to those nearby events by walking or bicycling on their own. Parents these days are very afraid of the world at large That’s really not a new thing. One of my favorite magazine covers was on an issue of _New York_ magazine, back in the '70s. Visualize a palatial estate in the background of a photo. In the foreground is a pre-teen boy, sitting in a wheel chair, with Grandma (in very expensive clothing) pushing the wheel chair. The caption balloon above Granny’s head says… _Of course he can walk!_ _Thank God he doesn’t have to!_ 🫤 ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/31 "2022-10-20T20:01:05Z")
Not going to do % of income. I spend more on dish internet and cellphones, groceries, gas and electric for the house, car insurance, than I do on gas for the cars. Estimated 300 gallons per year, about $1200 per year ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/32 "2022-10-20T20:07:49Z")
… but, I will agree with George that this phenomenon is getting worse. When I drove to my last job, I took a shortcut through a nice rural area where all of the kids are bused to school. The houses sit less than 100 feet from the road, and every morning when I passed one of those houses, there was a Ford Excursion (which, in case you don’t recall them, was HUGE), at the bottom of the driveway, with mother and daughter sitting inside and–based on the exhaust smoke–the engine was running. Apparently, this kid couldn’t or wouldn’t walk about 75 feet to wait for her school bus, or Mommie Dearest thought that kidnapers were lurking behind every tree in that very low-crime area. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/33 "2022-10-20T20:17:12Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > kidnapers were lurking behind every tree in that very low-crime area. Hopefully someday politicians will figure out there’s a lot of bang for the buck to be gained for their community by curbing the number of homeless encampments strewn throughout town. And somehow curbing kid-to-kid bullying in an effective manner. In these parts , instead of those sorts of difficult topics , the politicos seem to like to talk about curbing minor issues like weeds growing in driveway cracks, enforcing garbage can schedule to the minute, forcing high mpg vehicles off the road in favor of lower mpg vehicles. No wonder eggs cost $7 a dozen … lol .. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/34 "2022-10-21T00:49:47Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > neighbors drive vehicles which seem much larger than they actually require Lots of people want large vehicles to protect their children. I used to work with a highly educated man that drove a Ford Excursion. They were a family of three. He said he drove it to protect his son in case of an accident. His wife drove an S-class Mercedes Benz that they replaced every three years. It had to be big for occupant protection, and E-class wouldn’t do. > [@VDCdriver](#): > > kidnapers were lurking behind every tree in that very low-crime area. My wife was like that. Until our daughters were teens she would watch them walk to the neighbor’s houses that were two, four, and five doors down and on the same side of the road. She was concerned that some creep would kidnap them as they walked. We live in a safe neighborhood of McMansions. > [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > Hopefully someday politicians will figure out there’s a lot of bang for the buck to be gained for their community by curbing the number of homeless encampments strewn throughout town. It’s not that easy. Many homeless have drug problems and where are they going to go if they are displaced? They are drug addicts and can’t hold a job. Not all, of course, but manynfit that description. I listed to a discussion about this on the radio today. Apparently some folks think that moving homeless people into unused rooms in hotels would be a good idea. The person that mentioned this also said that those hotels would have a hard time keeping paying guests once they saw the formerly homeless residents. I’m with him. If I was on a business trip I would move immediately if I was in a room next to a homeless resident. Actually, I was sort of in that situation a couple of summers ago. I was on a business trip to Lompoc, CA. My hotel was clean and attractively priced. It was next to a chain hotel that had mostly poor residents. I got the impression that these groups crammed into one room and lived there. Maybe that’s why most of my colleagues stayed somewhere else. I was a bit concerned about walking in front of that hotel at first but I got over it when I was left alone. ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/35 "2022-10-21T03:01:27Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > It’s not that easy. Push the homeless farther west! In to reservations! > [@jtsanders](#): > > Apparently some folks think that moving homeless people into unused rooms in hotels would be a good idea. Always somebody else’s empty room. How would they react if their garage space or empty room was used to house homeless? ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/36 "2022-10-21T18:23:07Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Apparently some folks think that moving homeless people into unused rooms in hotels would be a good idea. I made a reservation for a Hotel Indigo, in Brooklyn I think. I called the front desk because of goofy rate prices not what I had made reservations for. Desk clerk answered the phone, I asked why the rates were so goofy. His first words were you know this is a homeless shelter right? Evidently 1/2 the hotel was homeless rooms, I guess the biggest issue was the lobby. One comment was there were smeared feces, garbage and smelled awful. Changed hotels after finding that out. Not right to judge people just because they are homeless. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/37 "2022-10-21T20:42:37Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > Not right to judge people just because they are homeless. Maybe not, but it appears that you did. Also, I guess that you called before you arrived because the room rate was lower than you expected. ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/38 "2022-10-21T20:46:57Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Maybe not, but it appears that you did No, I did judge the desirability of the hotel lobby, something I would have to walk through with the wife to make it an undesirable accommodation based on recent reviews noting smeared feces, garbage and smell. The rates for 3 nights, Friday, $45, Sat $245, Sunday $165. I have visited evicted homeless former neighbors, brought them food for a group living in the woods they were staying with. Nice people on hard times. Supplied them with electricity via extension cord and water via hose bib to hose bib connection for 3 months before they got evicted. Nice people. I even sent a guy on this board some money, as he was living in his car, got a job, but had no money to buy gas to get to and from his new job. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/39 "2022-10-21T21:56:30Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > Evidently 1/2 the hotel was homeless rooms, I guess the biggest issue was the lobby. Back in the '70s, I booked a room in a Travelodge in Chicago for a few nights. When we pulled-in, very late in the day, it didn’t look very inviting, but it was so late in the day that we were too tired to look for another place. It turned out that this largely-vacant motel had many of its rooms occupied by what Johnny Carson used to call “strolling sidewalk hostesses”, and the parking lot had a few cars that were sitting on flat tires. Our room looked like it hadn’t been cleaned since the Eisenhower administration, and the beds were worn-out and sagging. Ergo–a total disaster. The next morning, I went to the front office to check-out, and the room clerk informed me that I had to pay for 8 long-distance calls that were supposedly placed from my room–which was a lie. I told him that the phone was so grungy, I wouldn’t even touch it, I refused to pay for those trumped-up calls, and challenged him to call a cop. I was taking a big chance because he could have had some local cops on his payroll, but he finally decided to see it my way, and to delete the bogus calls from my bill. When I got back home, I wrote a letter to Travelodge corporate, and never received a reply. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984/40 "2022-10-21T22:03:16Z")
Good story there VDC. Years ago when I was a kid TL seemed like it used to be pretty nice place to stay. Kentucky Fried Chicken was a pretty good place to eat too. I guessing being successful in the retail world means the management and staff has to be paying full attention all the time. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-rising-price-of-fuel/186984.md?page=3)