# The matrix has been resurrected **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** toyota\ **Created:** [February 15, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508 "2022-02-15T17:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chunkyazian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@chunkyazian](https://community.cartalk.com/u/chunkyazian)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/1 "2022-02-15T17:13:18Z")
[Toyota simulated manual](https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/357350/toyota-patents-simulated-manual-gearbox-electric-cars) While Toyota is not going to stick a probe in your brain like what happened with Neo, they are filing a patent for simulating the feel of a manual transmission with an electric car. The motor’s output will be determined by the positions of the fake shifter, fake clutch pedal, and the fake gas pedal. Perhaps they’ll introduce this feature in the next Toyota matrix ---
**Author:** ![wentwest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wentwest/32/6073_2.png) [@wentwest](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wentwest)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/2 "2022-02-15T17:27:33Z")
Sort of like virtual reality porn? ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/3 "2022-02-16T00:08:03Z")
It’s not a terrible idea, provided it really does feel like a manual. Some people, myself included, really like driving a stickshift, and that’s the one thing we’ll miss as electric cars take over. That said, this wouldn’t be for me, because for me the fun part about driving a manual is that I’m in control of the transmission. To me, this is more along the lines of those false fronts they used to build on buildings to make a town look more impressive:" ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/d/8/d8aff5dcb49494426b0e7c88a0d28ee15639267d.jpeg) appears to be more impressive, but it’s all fake. Just like the fake gearbox. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/4 "2022-02-16T00:15:25Z")
Worked with CVTs… faked shifts to make it feel more like a conventional automatic. EVs need fake engine noises inside, to complete the effect. Make mine sound like a Jag XKE 6, please. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/5 "2022-02-16T00:52:08Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > EVs need fake engine noises inside, to complete the effect. Make mine sound like a Jag XKE 6, please. You need one of these then. > **[THOR ⚡️ electronic exhaust system](https://thor-tuning.com/us/)** > > A new level of active exhaust system for internal combustion engines of electric vehicles and personal electric vehicles ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/6 "2022-02-16T02:09:20Z")
I am OK if the sound is just inside for me rather than my neighbors. ---
**Author:** ![chunkyazian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@chunkyazian](https://community.cartalk.com/u/chunkyazian)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/7 "2022-02-16T16:07:59Z")
While not great for efficiency, having discrete ratio and different engine sound allows an attentive driver to make an estimate of vehicle speed while the eyeballs are focusing on the outside. I don’t know if that’s one of the reasons for having fake ratios in a CVT. Regarding EVs, i have my doubts about the simulated experience. Having briefly test driven a miata and moving the shift rails directly with that shifter, I’d rather see EVs with an actual multi speed transmission. ---
**Author:** ![wentwest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wentwest/32/6073_2.png) [@wentwest](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wentwest)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 4:56am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/8 "2022-02-17T04:56:54Z")
Look, the line that gets repeated often is “Miata Is Always The Answer” - and it’s my truth. You get in that little car, fire it up, and SNICK first gear, waaaaa, SNICK 2nd, and on and on. It’s not fast but it doesn’t matter, because you have control of the machine and it’ll do exactly what you want. No BS, not finicky, reliable, a solid friend. ---
**Author:** ![chunkyazian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@chunkyazian](https://community.cartalk.com/u/chunkyazian)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/9 "2022-02-17T13:47:32Z")
I can’t tell if that is sarcastic. My point was that they should either sell ev with PRND or make it work with proper mechanical multi speed transmission. Don’t insult our senses with this simulation software. It may work for those growing up watching the fast and the furious. For the raw mechanical experience with a real shifter, that is hard to replicate ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/10 "2022-02-18T01:18:13Z")
You don’t need a multi speed transmission when maximum torque is produced at zero RPM. ---
**Author:** ![chunkyazian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@chunkyazian](https://community.cartalk.com/u/chunkyazian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2022, 4:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-matrix-has-been-resurrected/182508/11 "2022-02-18T04:47:37Z")
Google motor efficiency graph and you’d come across many graphs that looks like this ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/c/4/c4e0e37755a578273d49bf88fbfad2d27768416b.png) While the motor can develop high torque at low speed, it isn’t very efficient doing so. If the material cost, transmission efficiency, certification cost of adding a multiple speed transmission outweighs the inefficiency of a low speed motor, it will have a transmission Tesla tried it in the original roadster. BMW i8 has a 2 speed transmission and so does Porsche. Lexus had it’s motor output connected to a 4 speed (LC500)