# The end of the road for Lordstown Motors? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 26, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328 "2023-02-26T14:48:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/21 "2023-02-28T18:43:42Z")
Dave, I’ve got a 1960 300F that I’ve had since it was just another used car. It’s in storage since i never drove it much, it’s more of a curiosity. Everything on it is original except accessory belts, coolant hoses, fuel pump, and I rebuilt the carburetors with new float valves and accelerator pumps to run with ethanol. The electroluminescent instrument cluster still illuminates correctly. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/22 "2023-02-28T20:55:31Z")
You have a very cool car Old\_Mopar\_Guy… 413 Max Wedge Cross Ram right? ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/23 "2023-02-28T22:10:35Z")
413 cross ram ( 2 carter AFB’S mounted out near the wheel wells. ---
**Author:** ![weekend-warrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/weekend-warrior/32/26122_2.png) [@weekend-warrior](https://community.cartalk.com/u/weekend-warrior)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:44am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/24 "2023-03-01T01:44:30Z")
[1960 Chrysler 300F Dual Quad - Ken Nagel’s Classic Cars (kennagelclassiccars.com)](https://kennagelclassiccars.com/1960-chrysler-300f-dual-quad/) ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/25 "2023-03-01T02:15:44Z")
About the only thing cooler than popping the hood and seeing a 6 pack is popping the hood and seeing those insane long cross rams… Takes/took the coolness factor to a whole new level… ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 3:45am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/26 "2023-03-01T03:45:28Z")
The induction sound at full throttle is just about the sweetest sound ive ever heard. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/27 "2023-03-01T15:43:23Z")
At 375 HP it must have a lot of scat, even if it’s measured at the flywheel. ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/28 "2023-03-01T20:31:47Z")
It will do 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds, top speed is 135. Not bad for a 4500 lb car. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/29 "2023-03-01T20:38:55Z")
> [@old\_mopar\_guy](#): > > It will do 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds, top speed is 135. Not bad for a 4500 lb car. The Hummer EV weighs more than twice that and does 0-60 in 3 seconds. But I’m happy with my 8.5 second time in my Highlander ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/30 "2023-03-01T20:45:05Z")
> [@old\_mopar\_guy](#): > > It will do 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds, top speed is 135. Not bad for a 4500 lb car. My new toy weighs-in at 4,475 lb. It tops out at “only” 124 mph, but it does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Lexus claims 6 seconds, but they also claim a battery range of 37 miles, and I’m now up to a 48 mile range. They appear to under-promise, just so that nobody is disappointed. [https://www.jdpower.com/cars/expert-reviews/2022-lexus-nx-450h-plus-review-update](https://www.jdpower.com/cars/expert-reviews/2022-lexus-nx-450h-plus-review-update) ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/31 "2023-03-01T21:05:36Z")
> [@MikeInNH](#): > > The Hummer EV weighs more than twice that and does 0-60 in 3 seconds. But I’m happy with my 8.5 second time in my Highlander Yeah but nobody ever gonna pop the hood on a Hummer EV and go WOW!!! Look at that Cross Ram intake manifold… They might go WOW that is a lot of plastic covering up all the ugly though… An old classic will almost always (yes I know that may not be a correct way of saying that) draw a bigger crowd of people than a EV… ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/32 "2023-03-02T14:30:12Z")
Might say wow when they find out the HUMMER EV has 1000 HP and 11,500 lb-ft torque. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/33 "2023-03-02T18:45:09Z")
That is a misleading torque number… It’s all about torque multiplying… 2022 GMC Hummer EV: EV Torque Vs. Duramax Diesel Twist “_The Hummer EV’s torquiest combustion sibling is the [Sierra 4x4 Duramax](https://www.motortrend.com/cars/gmc/sierra-1500/2020/2020-gmc-sierra-1500-duramax-first-drive-review/) pickup, which includes a 10-speed automatic transmission. With its 4.70:1 first gear, 3.24:1 axle ratio, and a torque converter multiplication factor conservatively estimated at 1.85:1 when “stalled” at 0 mph, the Duramax diesel’s 460 lb-ft of peak torque (available from 1,500-3,000 rpm) pencils out to almost 13,000 lb-ft. Of course, that torque-converter multiplication disappears when the converter locks up, trimming total wheel torque to just under 7,000 lb-ft. By contrast, Oppenheiser shared that the Hummer EV sustains peak wheel torque from 0 to 40 mph. Presuming you equip your [Sierra Duramax](https://www.motortrend.com/cars/gmc/sierra-1500/2020/2020-gmc-sierra-1500-duramax-first-drive-review/) with the X31 Off-Road package to get the two-speed transfer case, you could engage low-range and gain a further 2.72:1 multiplication. That would give you nearly 19,000 lb-ft at the wheels, all along the Duramax’s broad peak-torque plateau. That said, using low-range would rev the bejeebers out of [the Sierra](https://www.motortrend.com/cars/gmc/sierra-2500hd/2021/)’s diesel engine at 40 mph where the Hummer EV’s torque starts to drop off._” > **[2022 GMC Hummer EV: 11,500 LB-FT of Torque?! (No, Not Quite)](https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-gmc-hummer-ev-tech-dive/)** > > General Motors deemed it a “moonshot”, and those working on the newest GMC model dubbed it Project Obtainium. We know it as the 2022 GMC Hummer EV. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/34 "2023-03-02T18:54:27Z")
Plus from what I am reading it is only being able to tow a 7500 trailer for about 133 miles??? Not impressed at all… I used to tow 5,000+ pounds with 2 different RWD 3.9L V6 Dakota’s, even more with the Power Wagon 4X4 360ci auto through the hills in Ky for double the miles… Doing the math that the Hummer EV used my little 360ci gas engine is kicking out over 8,500 lb-ft of torque… I like those numbers cause I’m only about 3300 lbs… lol ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/35 "2023-03-03T12:22:35Z")
I doubt that anyone will buy the HUMMER EV for towing. It’s a halo truck IMO and may be used off road, but not for towing. Note that when the Sierra/Silverado EVs are available they will have less HP and torque. It will also have an unloaded range of 400 miles. It’s basically the same package as the HUMMER, just tuned for a different application. Here’s what GMC has to say in their website specs. > **[Meet The First-Ever GMC Sierra EV: Electric Truck](https://www.gmc.com/future-vehicles/sierra-ev-denali)** > > \Introducing the new GMC Sierra EV truck built to reach unimaginable heights. Be one of the first to reserve the all-electric Sierra EV today.\
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**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/36 "2023-03-03T21:36:23Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > 10-12 year old Tesla Roadsters have been selling for their original asking price of $120K lately. Early, low mile examples have sold for upwards of $200K so double the price IN 12 years. It’s probably possible to make a bundle by investing in a bevy of those Roadsters now, storing them in a car-friendly environment , then selling them in as electric-classics in 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/37 "2023-03-04T03:16:24Z")
> [@old\_mopar\_guy](#): > > We have a regular colleague here who has restored his Daewoo and likes the car, @bcohen2010 . Perhaps he’ll comment. Bill? Hi. I currently own, and daily-drive a 2002 Daewoo Lanos (4-door sedan) and am satisfied with this car. It has certainly needed a lot of mechanical work, however _this was literally the cheapest new car you could buy in the U.S. at the time it was sold new_. This car offers decent performance and handling, good fuel economy, and very good interior comfort. **Of course, you will have to replace certain parts which were poorly-designed** , including the fuel pump, timing belt idler pulley, valve cover gasket, head gasket, and thermostat housing. The aftermarket versions are redesigned and work well. > [@davesmopar](#): > > Daewoo’s were popping head gaskets at 50K and there were no parts available for them… Had a friend that towed one in to my shop in the late 90’s he just bought at action and it looked absolutely show room new with low miles and a blown head gasket, at the time you could only get an exhaust manifold gasket and spark plugs, maybe a valve cover gasket, but nothing else engine related… I told him he bought a very nice paper weight… lol I do not believe this. I can get just about any mechanical part for my Daewoo Lanos, and I have looked into parts availability for other Daewoo-branded vehicles sold here, such as the Nubira, as well as Daewoo-built vehicles such as the Suzuki Forenza, Chevrolet Aveo, etc. Parts are easily and readily available. Also, you mention head gasket failure being a problem. That is unfortunately correct, _however aftermarket gaskets of vastly-superior construction are readily available_. The OEM head gasket on the Daewoo Lanos (and perhaps on other Daewoo-built vehicles) **was literally made of cardboard, except for the thin steel fire rings.** However, if you are replacing the head gasket, you will buy an aftermarket version, and the choices are single-layer steel with soft graphite composite, or multi-layer stainless. On a used engine, graphite composite is more forgiving…especially if you are having the head professionally reconditioned, but leaving the rest of the engine in the car. ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/38 "2023-03-04T12:57:58Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > It’s probably possible to make a bundle by investing in a bevy of those Roadsters now, storing them in a car-friendly environment , then selling them in as electric-classics in 20 years. Mothballing a gasoline engine is straightforward. How would you propose to keep batteries viable for 20 years? ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328/39 "2023-03-04T22:32:57Z")
> [@bcohen2010](#): > > I do not believe this. I can get just about any mechanical part for my Daewoo I think you may have missed my time line… > [@davesmopar](#): > > in the **late 90’s** 0f course you can find stull for them now but the aftermarket didn’t make anything in the 90’s, GM helped with that when they bought them in 2002 … But you have to remember we didn’t have Google in the 90’s and the innerweb was just getting it’s start… [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/the-end-of-the-road-for-lordstown-motors/189328.md?page=1)