# Stellantis flopped in China **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** fiat\ **Created:** [November 28, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626 "2022-11-28T12:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626/1 "2022-11-28T12:10:35Z")
… with their Jeep venture: > **[Stellantis Jeep joint venture in China to file for bankruptcy](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-chinas-gac-joint-venture-file-bankruptcy-2022-10-31/)** > > The joint venture that makes Jeeps in China will file for bankruptcy, partners Stellantis and Guangzhou Automobile Group (GAC) said on Monday, after a long decline for the oldest foreign auto brand in the world's largest car market. And, in the US market, both the gas-powered 500 and the 124 Spider (a Mazda Miata with a Fiat engine) were both discontinued two years ago, due to very low sales numbers. But, Stellantis is going to give it another try, with a new electric version of the 500. These little electric buggies were previously sold in CA, but they are apparently now going to try to market them nationwide in The US. Meanwhile, most–if not all–of their Fiat dealerships closed their doors a while back, and I have to wonder how many businessmen are willing to try to sell Fiats… again. > **[Fiat 500e will be Stellantis' EV test run in the U.S.](https://www.autoblog.com/2022/11/18/fiat-500e-ev-sales-stellantis-test-experiment/)** > > In a roundtable, Fiat Brand CEO Olivier François shared plans for the Fiat 500e and the automaker. The U.S. launch will be a test run for EV sales. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626/2 "2022-11-28T12:13:04Z")
Hmmm… An unreliable gas car becomes an EV. What could go wrong? 😜 Seems obvious which member of Stellantis is in control. The Japanese? No The French? Non! The Americans? Unh-uh! The Brits? Just No. The Germans? Nein. The Italians? Yeah, clearly the Italians are in charge. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626/3 "2022-11-28T12:20:42Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > What could go wrong? Many years ago, my trusted foreign car mechanic complained non-stop about problems with electrical systems on Fiats, and how difficult they were to diagnose, He _claimed_ that many of the wires in the wiring harness went from one insulation color to another, somewhere around the middle of the car, and that it took him an incredibly long time to diagnose wiring problems on those cars as a result. I can’t say with assurance that this was correct, but that was what he said, back in the '70s. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626/4 "2022-11-28T13:54:01Z")
One way to look at the increased Stellantis stake from 50% to 75% is that GAC didn’t want 50% of the joint venture. When they decided they wanted less than 25%, it was time for Stellantis to move to an import model. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626/5 "2022-11-28T23:24:59Z")
Were I looking for a new car, I’d give the electric 500 a chance anyway. I like the look of those gasoline 500’s , but, yes, realize, robustness, by reputation, appears to need some work. I wonder if an E-500 could be purchased with roll-up windows, no A/C, and a 90-s style, standard dashboard & gauges? ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/stellantis-flopped-in-china/187626/6 "2022-11-29T01:18:50Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > I wonder if an E-500 could be purchased with roll-up windows, no A/C, and a 90-s style, standard dashboard & gauges? Don’t forget NiCd or Lead batteries… who needs these self-igniting Lithium ones?? 🙂