# Some strife at Stellantis? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 2, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224 "2024-12-02T13:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/21 "2024-12-06T20:27:45Z")
Yeah agree with that. The answers are so simple but they keep listening to the marketing whiz kids. Ford is another one on my mind and of course Gm is full of fools. ---
**Author:** ![weekend-warrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/weekend-warrior/32/26122_2.png) [@weekend-warrior](https://community.cartalk.com/u/weekend-warrior)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/22 "2024-12-06T22:31:29Z")
I think the reason people do not like to buy Nissan’s is because they have had trouble with their CVT’s for at least 15 years. problems started in 2003. when they have a problem for that long it makes some a little scared to buy one. [What Years Did Nissan Have Transmission Problems? - GearShifters](https://gearshifters.org/nissan/what-years-did-nissan-have-transmission-problems/) [Common Nissan CVT Transmission Problems (Years 2008-18)](https://fourwheelask.com/nissan-cvt-transmission-problems-years/) ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/23 "2024-12-07T02:06:52Z")
Nissan had the worst cam/crank sensor problems then anybody else that I remember, 2nd worse was the PT Cruiser’s, also lots of issues with the Altima’s, from the alt sounding like a rod knock on the 2.4’s to the 2.5’s with the t-body’s needing to be replaced along with the o2’s and having to be flashed, also lots of different Nissan’s needing to be re flashed after some sensors being replaced… The Murano having something with it’s cross over fuel tank, and the list goes on… So Nissan put a bad taste in my mouth without including the CVT issues years ago… I used to really like them, but around the time the Altima went to the 2.5L engine is when I saw the down fall… ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/24 "2024-12-07T21:24:32Z")
Can’t remember what year but I thought my wife looked really good in the Altima or whatever the high end model was. But then started hearing about oil issues and went with either the olds or Acura. Truthfully she looked good in all of them. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/25 "2024-12-08T21:50:24Z")
Your second link is an automotive mechanic student and writer with a whole “half decade” of experience. I have around 5 decades of experience. Neither of your links are peer reviewed or subject to any editorial review. Neither are backed up with facts. When they say something like, customers have reported problems, how many? what percentage of customers? Since when has a transmission serpentine belt been responsible for alternator issues, as one of your links claims. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/26 "2024-12-08T21:57:51Z")
> [@keith](#): > > Since when has a transmission serpentine belt been responsible for alternator issues, as one of [WW’s] links claims. the “transmission” word is probably just the equivalent of a mis-spoke. Maybe some sort of accidental spell-check insert. Seems pretty likely a serpentine belt problem could cause alternator symptoms, Nissan or any other brand. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/27 "2024-12-09T03:14:52Z")
Not a mis-spoke. You have to read his links but be careful with the first one, do not click on any links in it. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/28 "2024-12-09T03:42:31Z")
Here’s the Altima problem history on Car Complaints. The 2014 spike and problems in following years are mostly transmission-related. Transmission stopped being the biggest problem in 2019. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/a/c/acc5de862d0a969ffa4a2d06f63a528f2797044d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/29 "2024-12-09T23:05:55Z")
What does this chart represent? How do these bars compare to all vehicles. This is just a picture of a bunch of vertical bars with no reference to anything else. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/30 "2024-12-10T00:45:55Z")
Those bars represent the total number of problems for each year. The scale is different for different cars. The point of posting it is to show the rapid decrease in problems after 2014. You can click on the bars here to see details on each year’s problems: [Nissan Altima Problems | CarComplaints.com](https://www.carcomplaints.com/Nissan/Altima/) ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/31 "2024-12-11T18:21:19Z")
OK now we have a better picture of those bars and the source, BUT I was referencing to the CVT only, those bars are for ALL complaints about Nissan Altimas. It still doesn’t give a total perspective of percentage of all Nissan Altimas sold, or compare to all other vehicles. Also the CVT was used on more than just the Altima. Also, the Altima 2.5 engine is bad about head gaskets, just as bad as Subaru but Subaru is the one with the reputation. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/32 "2024-12-11T18:33:43Z")
> [@keith](#): > > BUT I was referencing to the CVT only, those bars are for ALL complaints about Nissan Altimas. It still doesn’t give a total perspective of percentage of all Nissan Altimas sold, or compare to all other vehicles. All true, best I could find. Turns out the bars are pretty much driven by the CVT problems in that period. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/33 "2024-12-11T19:04:30Z")
Click in the bar for each year and the next page gives you a breakdown of problems. For instance, click in MY2013 and you’ll see that there were 316 transmission problems. Click on that bar and the next page shows the breakdown, including 179 CVT problems, ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/34 "2024-12-11T19:56:27Z")
It only takes a few seconds to review the leaking head gasket complaints (none): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/a/5/a55420a7178922f9022ffa0a4eeddb2731643eb5.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/e/5/e5180ddd97da4b50c0bc9a9cd4c569e5a1922401.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 4:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/35 "2024-12-13T04:18:49Z")
So the 2013 Altima had 179 CVT problems out of 320,723 Altimas sold that year? ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 1:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/36 "2024-12-13T13:30:47Z")
That’s not a total of 179 problems from that model year, only the ones reported to [carcomplaints.com](http://carcomplaints.com) and NHTSA. I think it’s reasonable to assume that there were far more in total. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/37 "2024-12-14T03:08:34Z")
Until there is more data, it is 179 out of 320,723. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/38 "2024-12-14T14:08:45Z")
Where did this all-encompassing data come from? CarFax? ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/39 "2024-12-14T17:50:03Z")
What exactly are you asking me. The only number I put out was from a Google search for tota number of Altimas sold in 2013. BUT, the point I was trying to make is that once you lose a good reputation for quality, it is very difficult to get it back. The CVT was just an example and I think that by the responses I got from that, you have proved me right. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224/40 "2024-12-15T00:14:51Z")
It was a rhetorical question. You did not just post the number Altimas but connected it to the number of CVT failures reported to [carcomplaints.com](http://carcomplaints.com) and NHTSA. Once again, my point is that there are likely many more failures than the 179 quoted above becasue not all failures are reported to the website or NHTSA. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/some-strife-at-stellantis/198224.md?page=1)