# Should all modern vehicle come equipped with surveillance camera? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 23, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754 "2024-10-23T23:57:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Clueless33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dbc845/32.png) [@Clueless33](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Clueless33)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/1 "2024-10-23T23:57:42Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/d/7/d7f13a70d336e5ec95910cbb1fbc488387a0c023.jpeg "DashCam Saves Driver From Insurance Fraud Attempt") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeb7T2Z6Was) My mother encountered a problem similar to what is shown in the video above and she did not have a camera. The insurance company, included the police report, found her at fault, and despite her insurance paying the scammer for damages, they went even further to sue her personally for emotional damages, which is currently active and being challenged in court. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/2 "2024-10-24T00:27:49Z")
We have cameras everywhere. I don’t think I want more cameras. ---
**Author:** ![SteveCBT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/stevecbt/32/3192_2.png) [@SteveCBT](https://community.cartalk.com/u/SteveCBT)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/3 "2024-10-24T00:34:44Z")
Cameras are inexpensive, I recently installed them in two of my cars, easy install about an hour In Russia they say it is better to be caught in your car with out pants than without a camera as drivers lie. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/4 "2024-10-24T01:42:13Z")
In answer to your question, for a personal vehicle, I’d rather have the level of technology which was found in a mid-90’s economy car. However, if I wanted a dash camera, I’d buy one, which mounts to the windshield and plugs into the cigarette lighter. I don’t drive cars which would tend to be targeted by scammers. Although they run well, and are kept maintained, I drive old economy cars, which are nothing to look at. ---
**Author:** ![cigroller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@cigroller](https://community.cartalk.com/u/cigroller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/5 "2024-10-24T03:08:26Z")
And everyone thought “Big Brother” was going to be “da’ gubmint.” Well it sort of is, partly. But it’s also big tech (surveillance capitalism). And all of _ **us** _ buying cams and using, but also sending out those data streams fed into the military-industrial-big tech complex. Just like in the Terminator - Skynet didn’t have single source or “core” - it was the whole web - gubmint, corporate, individual. Once it’s all integrated and out in the ether it doesn’t matter. I still don’t have any cams. Because I’m not paranoid - about anything but the cams. ![360_F_211109257_fwZJBXYZRsw6vnmtBNfllmJspoE5QEQw](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/c/c/cc45c207f35c82730b1edd78823e4f34031d7518.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 5:44am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/6 "2024-10-24T05:44:07Z")
Re -reading 1984 for Halloween. It’s almost like it’s used as a play book. One thing to remember though. A camera is evidence and you must provide it whether it helps you or hurts you. We all make mistakes. I saw that you tube video too but most of those folks have found easier ways to make money. Still ya let him take a pic of your license? ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/7 "2024-10-24T14:17:56Z")
> [@cigroller](#): > > And all of _ **us** _ buying cams and using, but also sending out those data streams fed into the military-industrial-big tech complex. Big tech isn’t watching these videos. There are literally hundreds of trillions of data bytes every day. Most are NOT saved. Companies who are interested are collecting META data. They are looking for patterns of large groups for analysis. They could care less what an individual does. Individual activity has been limited to targeted marketing which big tech has almost zero interest in. If you have your own cam and your own recording - no one can see it but you. You don’t have to have a system that broadcasts to the cloud. As long as it’s not broadcasting it’s all in YOUR CONTROL. I have a couple cams on my property. Mainly for wildlife. They are motion activated. Seen some neat things. Bears, hundreds and hundreds of deer (almost every day). Maybe every other year we get a Moose in the back yard…and every known small creature that lives in NH that walks has been in my back yard. Driving in Boston (or any other large city) a dash cam can/is very very helpful. I have a dashcam app on my iPhone which I activate when I’m driving in Boston or other heavily traffic areas. Paranoid? - No. Realistic? - YES. ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/8 "2024-10-24T16:00:30Z")
> [@bing](#): > > A camera is evidence and you must provide it whether it helps you or hurts you That’s true…assuming someone other than you has control of it. Here’s a humorous (I think) way of looking at it- > Warden: Do you have a permit for all these fish? > > Man: No sir. These are all my pet fish. > > Warden: Your pet fish? How’s that? > > Man: Well, every night I take all my pet fish for a walk to the lake, I let them swim for about half hour and then I whistle and they all come back and jump in my basket and we go home. We do this every night. > > Warden: Well that’s just a crock of lies!! > > Man: Here I’ll show you… (Releases the fish in the lake) > > Warden: Well this I got to see!! 5 minutes later… > > Warden: Well?? > > Man: What? > > Warden: The fish!! Where’s your pet fish?? > > Man: What fish?? Oops! I must’ve pressed the erase button by mistake when I was handing it to you 😁 ---
**Author:** ![cigroller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@cigroller](https://community.cartalk.com/u/cigroller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/9 "2024-10-24T19:04:18Z")
> [@MikeInNH](#): > > Big tech isn’t watching these videos. There are literally hundreds of trillions of data bytes every day. Most are NOT saved. Companies who are interested are collecting META data. They are looking for patterns of large groups for analysis. They could care less what an individual does. Individual activity has been limited to targeted marketing which big tech has almost zero interest in. > > If you have your own cam and your own recording - no one can see it but you. You don’t have to have a system that broadcasts to the cloud. As long as it’s not broadcasting it’s all in YOUR CONTROL. Yes, Mike. No one is sitting around watching your videos. The surveillance is in the hands of data mining algorithms, and one of the things those do is absolutely target individuals for marketing. It’s much of the whole business model. And yes, the tech saavy can often keep their videos out of the data streams. (My dad’s game cams only record to SD cards). But that’s not representative of the average person or cam tech these days. We’re in [The Age of Surveillance Capitalism](https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2019/11/04/book-review-the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-the-fight-for-the-future-at-the-new-frontier-of-power-by-shoshana-zuboff/). ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/10 "2024-10-24T19:17:55Z")
> [@cigroller](#): > > one of the things those do is absolutely target individuals for marketing. They get that info from web-browsing…NOT what videos you’re uploading. ---
**Author:** ![cigroller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@cigroller](https://community.cartalk.com/u/cigroller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/11 "2024-10-24T19:27:13Z")
They mine from everything they can get their algorithmic hands on. ---
**Author:** ![lion9car](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/59ef9b/32.png) [@lion9car](https://community.cartalk.com/u/lion9car)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/12 "2024-10-24T20:03:22Z")
I won’t answer your exact question, but I’ll point out that I do wish all manufacturers provided some sort of standard mounting bracket that includes a power supply on the front and back windows so that consumers could easily install dashcams if desired. I also wish there was a similar bracket for neatly mounting toll transponders, but that’s a separate issue. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/13 "2024-10-24T21:00:24Z")
Lehtos law on YouTube had a short discussion of the use of flock cameras monitoring license plates. Monitoring all traffic and the information shared among cities. The IJ has taken legal action. We will see where it goes. I had no idea it was this bad. ---
**Author:** ![Rainflurry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cab0a1/32.png) [@Rainflurry](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rainflurry)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/14 "2024-10-24T21:13:55Z")
Who needs a dashcam when you can just wear the Ray-Ban Metas? It records exactly what you’re looking at. Personally, I won’t own a pair as I’m not that self-absorbed or paranoid (yet:-)) but it will be interesting to see if they become anything. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/6/8/68a4762b128ce5c879d644f51a6cfdc5f60d65bd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![cigroller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@cigroller](https://community.cartalk.com/u/cigroller)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/15 "2024-10-25T02:59:44Z")
> [@Rainflurry](#): > > Who needs a dashcam when you can just wear the Ray-Ban Metas? It records exactly what you’re looking at. While the algorithms mine all of those data for all their worth. I guess that since Facebook is now “Meta” the FAANGs are now the MAANGs. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/should-all-modern-vehicle-come-equipped-with-surveillance-camera/197754/16 "2024-10-26T15:55:17Z")
This company has factory looking dashcams with minimum wiring and hidden… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/8/1/81ea61d606efe9962ab165ee1004f939d653fd9c.jpeg "FITCAM Dash Cam for Lexus (Power from adaptive cruise sensor)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK4tLeVe7Q) I don’t plan on buying one, but some of the guys on another forum run them… > **[FITCAMX DASH CAM](https://fitcamx.com/)** > > fitcamx dash cam