# Self Driving Car Company suspended in San Francisco **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 25, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/self-driving-car-company-suspended-in-san-francisco/193561 "2023-10-25T22:22:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/self-driving-car-company-suspended-in-san-francisco/193561/22 "2023-11-17T20:27:12Z")
> [@MikeInNH](#): > > In all likelihood it can be resolved. I’ve said this many times…autonomous vehicles are not there yet, but probably will be. Should the current crop of self-driving cars be banned from public road use b/c of ongoing safety concerns? Or should their public road use be allowed to continue? ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/self-driving-car-company-suspended-in-san-francisco/193561/23 "2023-11-17T20:47:29Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > Should the current crop of self-driving cars be banned from public road use b/c of ongoing safety concerns? There are ZERO vehicles that meet the Level 5 standard of Autonomous vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![cigroller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@cigroller](https://community.cartalk.com/u/cigroller)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/self-driving-car-company-suspended-in-san-francisco/193561/24 "2023-11-17T23:55:37Z")
I take the “long” and “broad” view. In the long and broad view - historically speaking Six Sigma and Agile are branches off of the same “tree.” They do go back to Taylorism/Fordism up through the Japanese System which spawned stuff like the Deming Cycle, TQM, Six Sigma and Agile. [Historically speaking the links are very direct](https://hbr.org/2016/04/the-secret-history-of-agile-innovation). And my calling something “not new” is on the historical scale - so if it was truly only 20 years old it would be “new.” But I mean linking back over 100 years. That said, on the ground where you are, yes it is different. Deming up thru all of the future (not-very-different) iterations were about manufacturing rather than what you do. So point ceded and I’ll drop that there. As for our creations escaping our control, your denial of that caught me a bit off guard, esp if you’ve been working in heavy AI areas. That’s where the discussions are heaviest and I’m not just some uninformed sci fi crack pot. Nor do I form my thinking from random internet sci fi crackpots. Among the first times I started to ponder it most re: today’s AI development and the like was probably this from this: [The Dark Secret at the Heart of AI | MIT Technology Review](https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/04/11/5113/the-dark-secret-at-the-heart-of-ai/) It’s a nice one for this thread because it’s central line is about a “self-driving” car that “learned” on its own. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the possibilities of “[the singularity](https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a45780855/when-will-the-singularity-happen/).” My awareness of that potentiality is older than catching on to the increasing use these days of “deep learning” algorithms. I remain agnostic because I am not in a position to muse about it. But very serious / influential / bright people in IT are quite sure it’s coming - and many of those say pretty soon. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 3:22am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/self-driving-car-company-suspended-in-san-francisco/193561/25 "2023-11-18T03:22:12Z")
> [@cigroller](#): > > I take the “long” and “broad” view. In the long and broad view - historically speaking Six Sigma and Agile are branches off of the same “tree.” Six Sigma was first developed by Motorola for manufacturing. Agile came about as a solution for the Waterfall method. It was an offshoot of RAD (Rapid Application Development). It was then later adopted for some manufacturing. There were several early adaptations of Agile before it was actually was a thing. Digital Equipment had a form of Rapid development, then later adopted by Microsoft when Dave Cutler left Dec to write Windows for Microsoft. Six Sigma was mainly an upper management philosophy, but was never embraced by engineering because of the overall management control. Agile is the opposite of that. > [@cigroller](#): > > esp if you’ve been working in heavy AI areas. Our company has done some things in AI. A product we were producing before I even came to the company was an AI system to evaluate Telecom companies network systems. AI isn’t something I’m an expert at, but have done a lot of research in it. We’ve only started to adapt it to check security of our dedicated secure systems. > [@cigroller](#): > > I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the possibilities of “[the singularity](https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a45780855/when-will-the-singularity-happen/).” My awareness of that potentiality is older than catching on to the increasing use these days of “deep learning” algorithms. I think we’re a long ways away from a singularity. And the system to have one won’t be something that you buy at Best-Buy. Super computers still don’t have the power yet. Besides the software we need the compute power to be a singularity. If it ever can even happen. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/self-driving-car-company-suspended-in-san-francisco/193561.md?page=1)