# Re. Wide Vs Narrow Tires - I rest my case **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 18, 2025, 6:45am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522 "2025-03-18T06:45:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/61 "2025-03-19T20:15:00Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > I worked with a few PhDs with PCs that argued their models were correct even when actual test data proved them wrong It’s fear of being wrong and the impact it may have on future employment IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/62 "2025-03-19T20:34:41Z")
Sometimes it was ignorance and sometimes arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/63 "2025-03-19T20:52:06Z")
I was arrogant too until I grew up. The last time I was way too full of myself (that I know of) was when I got a new technology bulletin that described a product that removed everything on a surface and left it clean. In my business, when we say clean we mean that even molecular layers are gone. The product is a peel coating, meaning that a liquid is applied, it drys, then it is peeled off, taking with it all particles and molecular contamination. My past experience told me that this was impossible and they were just selling snake oil. I eventually saw it used, through no effort on my part, and it actually worked. It took off all the particles from a mirror and not only left no residue, it also removed any existing films on the mirror. I was amazed. Oops. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/64 "2025-03-19T20:55:36Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > It took off all the particles from a mirror and not only left no residue, it also removed any existing films on the mirror. I could use that on the inside of my windshield, any way to get some? ---
**Author:** ![PintoKid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/pintokid/32/45996_2.png) [@PintoKid](https://community.cartalk.com/u/PintoKid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/65 "2025-03-19T21:09:36Z")
Chris would love my bike. **23mm** tires with about **1cm** actually on the road with 150 lbs air pressure. Skinny tires for sure. And add to that I almost always go under the speed limit. Now in my Camaro … ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/66 "2025-03-19T21:26:31Z")
Sure! If you can afford it. Scroll to the bottom for prices. It’s also available from Edmunds Scientific. BTW, it won’t remove horse fat. There’s a story about that. > **[Colorless First Contactâ„¢ Polymer "Legacy Formula" - Order Today](https://www.photoniccleaning.com/Kits-s/176.htm)** > > Explore our First Contactâ„¢ Polymer "Legacy Formula," our original lens cleaner designed for safe, effective contaminant removal on optical surfaces. Shop now. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2025, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/67 "2025-03-19T21:44:03Z")
Well, I’ll stick with Windex and old newspapers, that is a bit pricey! But interesting stuff. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 1:32am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/68 "2025-03-20T01:32:57Z")
Yeah, we used to joke that at NASA everything cost $300/lb and for DoD the cost was $3000/lb. That was a long time ago. Multiply by 10 now. When you consider that the mirrors cost tens of thousands of dollars at least, paying $726/L isn’t all that much. ---
**Author:** ![johnlump\_191311](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@johnlump\_191311](https://community.cartalk.com/u/johnlump_191311)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2025, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/69 "2025-03-20T23:57:42Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Sure! If you can afford it. Scroll to the bottom for prices. It’s also available from Edmunds Scientific. BTW, it won’t remove horse fat. There’s a story about that. > > [Colorless First Contactâ„¢ Polymer "Legacy Formula" - Order Today](https://www.photoniccleaning.com/Kits-s/176.htm) Please! I’m always up for a good horse laugh! ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/70 "2025-03-21T00:49:31Z")
The inventor of First Contact and owner of the company was in Paris showing the product to the European Space Agency. After lunch, he invited someone from the audience to put a thumb print on a mirror. The presenter then put First Contact on the mirror, let it dry, then peeled it off. The thumb print was still there. This was puzzling because it always worked before. It turned out the guy in the audience had a horse burger for lunch and Jim discovered that day that his product didn’t work on horse fat. He since that time developed a product that does remove horse fat. Very few, if any, Americans eat horse but it’s popular in France. ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/71 "2025-03-21T12:13:42Z")
Only 30 more replies to hit one hundred! Here is mine. Finally went to the source of the article. The author **missused** the term COAL. Per the website: Cars Of A Lifetime, or COAL. Hardly consider a rented economy car a car of a lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![CapriRacer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/capriracer/32/22_2.png) [@CapriRacer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/CapriRacer)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/72 "2025-03-21T12:44:25Z")
I’m going to contribute to getting to 100! ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/73 "2025-03-21T13:17:08Z")
I guess @ChrisTheTireWhisperer is still resting hos case😊 ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/74 "2025-03-21T14:51:18Z")
After plowing the back forty, my dad would rest his Case, but that would be for Tractor Talk. ![IMG_2855](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/7/0/70c74e391ea6ee51f988511707b815f719b1c721.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/75 "2025-03-21T16:10:24Z")
> [@Purebred](#): > > my dad would rest his Case, but that would be for Tractor Talk. Good one! And, just to keep this all about automobiles… the younger forum members might not be aware that the Case Co once built upscale cars. This survivor, from 1922, sold originally for a price that would be equivalent to $45k today. Clearly, they were aiming for a different market than Henry Ford was. [https://www.hemmings.com/stories/1922-case-model-w/](https://www.hemmings.com/stories/1922-case-model-w/) ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 11:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/76 "2025-03-21T23:32:34Z")
You guys are exaggerating things. I’m not suggesting we stick with 80-series tires on 13 and 14 inch rims! I do believe wheel and tire proportions reached a ‘sweet spot’, performance-wise, between 20-30 years ago: 70 to 60-series on 15-16" wheels. Once you get below the halfway point, where tread and sidewall are equal dimensions (55-50 series tires almost a foot wide!!), then handling, for me anyway, starts to get a little too sensitive. Maybe even squirrelly. I hope I clarified myself there. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2025, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/77 "2025-03-21T23:40:12Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > I hope I clarified myself there. But your example of great handling has 55 profile tires. Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![oldtimer-11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e79b87/32.png) [@oldtimer-11](https://community.cartalk.com/u/oldtimer-11)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 5:34am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/78 "2025-03-22T05:34:34Z")
I only own one car and I drive it year round. I live near Buffalo NY so the car has to be good in the snow. Any car sold today drives well enough to be safe for me to drive on dry roads but anything sold with sporty pretensions has tires too wide for winter driving here. I am not an expert but I have over 3 million miles of driving experience, most of it in tractor trailers and a 57 year career in trucking and school bus driving. Most of my experience was in NY,PA,and Quebec. I have seen what works and for snow it is narrow tires over wide and a car that can apply the power very gently. The best winter car I ever drove was a Plymouth Caravelle with the base 2.2 engine. Is was a K car with a slightly longer wheelbase. Between Buffalo and Montreal we used to drive in blizzards that the ice road trucker would have parked their rigs in. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 7:29am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/79 "2025-03-22T07:29:53Z")
> [@texases](#): > > But your example of great handling > has 55 profile tires. Please explain. But your example of great handling has 40 profile tires on 20" wheels. Please explain that! ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522/80 "2025-03-22T14:08:24Z")
> [@oldtimer-11](#): > > I have seen what works and for snow it is narrow tires over wide and a car that can apply the power very gently. It’s simple physics. Narrower tires put more pressure per square inch. Central NY with the Lake Effect snow is not normal winter driving. Way more snow than what we get here in Southern NH. And then there’s the Tug Hill Plateau - That’s REAL snow country. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/re-wide-vs-narrow-tires-i-rest-my-case/199522.md?page=5)