# Quick Survey: What’s Stopping Enthusiasts from Going Electric? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 3, 2025, 11:30am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348 "2025-03-03T11:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 10:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/44 "2025-03-04T22:56:19Z")
Well, by your logic, people must think Im the most boring guy ever Because I bought a silver/gray new Camry last month😂 ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 1:22am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/45 "2025-03-05T01:22:43Z")
McKinsey might be a bad choice as a reference. They consult heavily for the largest oil company, Saudi Aramco and several others. I wonder how that plays into their analysis. They have also contributed heavily to the opioid crisis by helping the manufacturers turbocharge their sales. While not related to cars, I think it indicates their lack of integrity. I’m sure there are people that didn’t think their EV purchase thoroughly. I’d like to see references that aren’t as questionable as McKinsey. > **[McKinsey & Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinsey_%26_Company)** > > McKinsey & Company (informally McKinsey or McK) is an American multinational strategy and management consulting firm that offers professional services to corporations, governments, and other organizations. Founded in 1926 by James O. McKinsey, McKinsey is the oldest and largest of the "MBB" management consultancies. The firm mainly focuses on the finances and operations of their clients. > Under the direction of Marvin Bower, McKinsey expanded into Europe during the 1940s and 1950s. In the 1960s... ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 1:26am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/46 "2025-03-05T01:26:13Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > most boring guy ever Only if it’s an L or an LE. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/47 "2025-03-05T02:05:23Z")
Not sure if Accenture, who did the study VDC posted, is much better. A spin off from Arthur Anderson that incorporated in Bermuda to avoid prosecution. Each consulting company has its skeletons in the closet if you are going to base their current work on their past actions or associations. > **[Accenture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accenture)** > > Accenture plc is a global multinational professional services company originating in the United States and headquartered in Dublin, Ireland, that specializes in information technology (IT) services and management consulting. It was founded in 1989. A Fortune Global 500 company, it reported revenues of $64.9 billion in 2024. > Accenture began as the business and technology consulting division of accounting firm Arthur Andersen in the early 1950s. The division conducted a feasibility study for Gen... ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 2:13am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/48 "2025-03-05T02:13:08Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > Well, by your logic, people must think Im the most boring guy ever OR, they think you know quality, reliability and value and have no need to be flashy… 🙂 It is all in the observer’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 2:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/49 "2025-03-05T02:15:10Z")
LE . . . the base model 😉 ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 5:40am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/52 "2025-03-05T05:40:19Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > Well, by your logic, people must think Im the most boring guy ever Not boring but maybe predictable and practical? I’ve been saying this since the 90’s…there’s nothing fun or sexy about a Camry. But if you’re looking for good value and long-term reliability, it can’t be beat. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/53 "2025-03-05T16:01:04Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > LE . . . the base model Is it a hybrid? ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/54 "2025-03-05T16:10:06Z")
If it’s a 2025 Camry, then it is a hybrid: [https://www.motor1.com/news/716462/2025-toyota-camry-hybrid-only/](https://www.motor1.com/news/716462/2025-toyota-camry-hybrid-only/) ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/55 "2025-03-05T19:45:00Z")
Yes It’s a 2025 model year They’re all hybrids, as of the 2025 model year Interestingly, unlike the Prius, it doesnt have a gigantic “hybrid” badge All the trunk lid has is “HEV” badge ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/56 "2025-03-05T19:50:42Z")
That’s pretty much the same hybrid setup we have (RX350h). We’re happy with it, and I hear that Camry gets great mpgs. With it the LE is much better than it was with the non-hybrid motor. Toyota is now making use of the battery/electric motor to get better performance as well as better mpgs. ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2025, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/57 "2025-03-05T20:31:52Z")
> [@texases](#): > > Toyota is now making use of the battery/electric motor to get better performance as well as better mpgs. Back around '06 Honda came out with a 3.0 V6 Accord hybrid, that had the same ICE powerplant as a regular Accord but added an electric drive motor. It was quite a quick and powerful car for its time but short lived, because unlike other hybrids it got worse fuel economy than its conventional counterpart. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 12:27am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/58 "2025-03-06T00:27:05Z")
> [@texases](#): > > I hear that Camry gets great mpgs. I have NOT yet bothered to top off, reset to 0 and calculate it the correct way The multi-function display is telling me the fuel economy since day 1 is about 48mpg, which is what consumer reports said it should be getting ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/59 "2025-03-06T01:11:54Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > The multi-function display is telling me the fuel economy since day 1 is about 48mpg Riding around in quiet comfort at 48mpg. Can’t beat that. I believe that when it comes to hybrids Toyota is still the standard to which other passengers cars are compared. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 5:00am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/60 "2025-03-06T05:00:45Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > Well, by your logic, people must think Im the most boring guy ever > > Because I bought a silver/gray new Camry last month😂 You can’t go wrong with silver. I have driven silver cars all my life, and my 2002 Daewoo Lanos and 2004 Corolla are both silver. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 5:09am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/61 "2025-03-06T05:09:47Z")
> [@asemaster](#): > > I’ve been saying this since the 90’s…there’s nothing fun or sexy about a Camry. But if you’re looking for good value and long-term reliability, it can’t be beat. We must have different ideas of “fun”, “sexy”, and “performance” then. My family had a 1987 Camry (base model with 4-cylinder and hand-crank windows), a 1991 Camry (LE model with V-6, power everything, and sunroof), and a 1998 Camry (CE model with 4-cylinder and hand-crank windows). All of these were fun and enjoyable cars to drive. The 1987 and 1998 were bought new by my father, and we inherited the 1991 when our uncle passed away. Interestingly, all three were the same color–silver. ---
**Author:** ![oldtimer-11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e79b87/32.png) [@oldtimer-11](https://community.cartalk.com/u/oldtimer-11)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 9:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/62 "2025-03-06T09:14:02Z")
I have a tan 2012 LE that I bought new in 2011. I have done oil and filters, wiper blades and tires. plus one battery. The only repair was a windshield washer pump. My daughter has a 2010 Corolla, 5 speed manual,she has also done only maintenance except for rusted out brake lines and exhaust. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/63 "2025-03-06T13:44:07Z")
> [@asemaster](#): > > I believe that when it comes to hybrids Toyota is still the standard to which other passengers cars are compared. +1 In comparison with–for instance–Honda’s hybrids, the reliability/durability of Toyota’s hybrids is far superior. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/64 "2025-03-06T13:59:47Z")
Toyota will ride the hybrid horse until they can’t anymore. I imagine that will be at least 10 years. For anyone ready to buy a car, be sure to take a long test drive. I test drove an Avalon in 2017 and liked it so much on the test drive that I was ready to buy it. That is, until I sat in the driver’s seat for a while. The seat back became uncomfortable and I crossed it off my list. I hade Camrys for rentals at least once after that and had the same problem. The seats may hve changed since then, and not everyone is built the same. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348/65 "2025-03-06T14:04:03Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > I test drove an Avalon in 2017 and liked it so much on the test drive that I was ready to buy it. That is, until I sat in the driver’s seat for a while. The seat back became uncomfortable My brother & SIL have an Avalon hybrid, and while they really like everything else about the car, they discovered–after purchase–that the seat comfort was not good. Based on my experience with a PHEV, they are planning on trading the Avalon for a PHEV–either a 450h+ like mine, or the mechanically-identical Rav-4 PHEV. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/quick-survey-what-s-stopping-enthusiasts-from-going-electric/199348.md?page=4)