Push for a Carbon Tax

Seems like the article makes little difference between the 2 but both sectors are up.

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“Even the San Francisco area saw a 9.2 percent increase in pickup trucks and SUVs and a 5.8 percent drop in car registrations.”

So the first victims of a carbon tax will be the lower income. No disagreement there. Another reason NOT to enact one.

Note that those states don’t tax gasoline nearly as much as California.

Please notice I only applied it to your comment about California, the proof is in the sales numbers.

I stand by this statement.

But the average income is significantly less then California that even the slightest movement in gas prices will effect them.

That’s nor PROOF. Your conclusion is all wrong. With higher income you can absorb a higher gas price. The only time gas prices ever effected me negatively was back at the first embargo in the 70’s. Poor college kid just back from Nam, and it really effected my budget. Today…gas prices would have to go up 10 fold to effect my budget.

You could buy the most premium health insurance plan money can buy, and pretend that the premiums are Danish income taxes.

My wife just got back from Denmark. They are very proud of their carbon neutral stance. If I remember right, they’re the ones that were worried about cow flatulence due to it’s affect on the atmosphere. They really are a very socialist society but the thing is you have to look at their small population compared to ours, and of course the homogeneous nature of their population. Apples to oranges comparison in other words.

Yes, @bing. Being non homogeneous is one of this nations greatest obstacles and greatest assets.

Cow flatulence is a significant cause of atmospheric CO2. I hate to spoil the fun, but it’s burps, not farts. Cows burp because we cause them indigestion by feeding them grain; they’re grass eaters. Simply pasturing them would solve the problem (but use a lot of land - probably more than Denmark has to spare).

Kangaroos are less flatulent. They investigated transplanting bacteria from kangaroo stomachs into cows, but it didn’t work out.

With cows it’s the methane, not CO2. Methane has about 25 time the impact of CO2, pound for pound. Offsetting that is the fact that it degrades in the atmosphere.

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If you don’t mind a different brand, $40k can buy you a NEW electric sedan with just as long a range as the Tesla

I know someone at work with a Bolt. He commutes in it and likes it a lot. Since it still qualifies for the tax credit, it will return you $7500 in federal taxes, assuming you owe that’s much, and whatever your state may allow. In MD, a plugin hybrid or electric car gets an extra $3000 in tax credits.

I had considered a Bolt, but the tax savings I’d get would be eaten up, and then some, by needing a garage built so I could have easy access to the charging station

And I would still have less coverage than people in Denmark, and I would pay a lot more.

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Does this mean you are letting your new Mustang set outside as I suspected from your pictures ?

Whoops! You’re right. I slipped up. Methane lasts only a few years, CO2 for centuries, so it still matters more.

Until it is consumed by plants, trees, growing food…

Unless, of course cabbage and brussel sprouts are considered, which produce copious amounts of that temporary methane… well, in my case, anyway! :rofl:

I’ll have a sided car port up by winter

Oregon has been trying (unsuccessfully) for a zero carbon vehicle tax. State road maintenance/repair is taxed per gallon at the pump. The exception is commercial vehicles which are taxed through PUC licensing. They have their panties in a wad over EVs which use the roads and pay no fossil fuel tax. Mandating E-10 gave them about a 4% increase through decreased fuel mileage but of course it is never enough. Their scheme was an additional per miles driven tax based on your vehicles EPA average fuel mileage! EVs (they were considering bicycles which are officially vehicles) would be taxed 100%. Hybrids and fossil fuel only vehicles % of the additional tax paid would be based on EPA average times miles driven. If you drive a certified gas guzzler you would pay no additional road tax!!! Of course they would need a way to verify miles driven such as a safety inspection which would have nothing to do with safety or clogging DMVs with having someone record odometer readings when registration is renewed. I suspect our commie state legislators are taking full advantage of our legalized recreational marijuana use!

In spite of tons of CO2 dumped into the atmosphere by vehicles and industry, the concentration of CO2 in the air is about 0.04 percent. Something is happening to it or we would be suffocating in it by now.
Also, the percentage of air that is oxygen seems to remain at around 21% in spite of cars and industries consuming tons of it in order to make CO2. Apparently, something is returning oxygen to the air or we would have run out of it long ago.
I don’t know, but is it possible that green plants are converting CO2 back into oxygen and carbon in the form of sugars, cellulose, starch, and other hydrocarbon compounds?

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Some people are just never going to be satisfied until both cows and people are eliminated. Then the Earth will be safe again.

I’m not sure what you’re driving at. You don’t need very much of some substances to have an effect. A mote of carfentanyl smaller than a grain of sand is enough to kill you, even though if you swallow it, it makes up a very tiny fraction of a fraction of a percentage of your body mass.

Instead of concentrating on the percentage of the atmosphere made up by CO2, concentrate on the increase. If X levels of atmospheric CO2 foster one type of climate, and you increase the levels by 30%, you’re probably going to see something change.

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