# Prior to any effective Truth in Advertising regs **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 16, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401 "2024-12-16T16:40:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/1 "2024-12-16T16:40:38Z")
šŸ˜† ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/e/0/e03d87ee2ef228453f3057021a7abe2556c12d8b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/2 "2024-12-16T16:47:46Z")
Just a little puffing, thatā€™s all šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/3 "2024-12-16T16:51:23Z")
They failed to brag about the differing expansion rates of the aluminum block & the steel cylinder head, and the engine damage that often resulted. Surely, they could have ā€œpuffedā€ a bit about that. šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/4 "2024-12-16T18:34:35Z")
Was GM actually aware of the long term problems with the AlSi alloy that they chose to use? I doubt it since in many cases they sleeved the cylinders with iron sleeves. They should have been aware of course. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/5 "2024-12-16T20:03:17Z")
The Vega engine passed a 1000 hour wide open throttle test with flying colors and millions of miles of road testing. The engine was durable IF you worked it hard. The problem occurred on the granny cycleā€¦ short trips, not fully warmed up, parked for a couple of days. Exactly how most would use a cheap small car bought as a second car. Oil would drain off the cylinder walls in cold weather while sitting and scuffing occurred. And then acids in the oil would destroy the cylinder walls and then they pumped oil like a Texan. The cast iron cylinder head was a dumb ideaā€¦ different expansion rates, greater vibration, worse coolingā€¦ And a barely adequate cooling system. But hey, the cylinder walls often failed before the head gasket blew! ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/6 "2024-12-16T20:46:04Z")
Not to be harsh but ya think the ads are any better now? Women in evening dresses, cars suddenly braking to avoid hitting a kid in the road while the driver is distracted, trucks or cars plowing a foot of snow up the mountain, and on and on. A note to the public: ads are created by over paid marketing folks trying to earn a bonus, and sold to out of touch execs. Just laugh at them and donā€™t wait for the engineer to come on the screen explaining how some of these features were added. Sucker born every minute. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/7 "2024-12-16T20:53:58Z")
> [@bing](#): > > Women in evening dresses Back in the '50s & '60s, almost every ad for floor wax featured a photo or drawing of a woman in an evening gown, waxing her floorā€¦ effortlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/8 "2024-12-16T21:02:07Z")
And every women shown in the home doing any task was dressed like June Cleaver in Leave it to Beaver. A dress, heels, and pearls! Of course Ward Cleaver never took off his tie when he came home in the evening either! ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/9 "2024-12-16T21:15:05Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > Of course Ward Cleaver never took off his tie when he came home in the evening either! Even better than that, men were typically shown wearing a tie while mowing the lawn and doing other outdoor tasks. ---
**Author:** ![Beancounter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/59ef9b/32.png) [@Beancounter](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Beancounter)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/10 "2024-12-16T21:57:50Z")
My first new car was a ā€œMade in Americaā€ Vega, in consultation with my WW2 Vet Dad who wouldnā€™t countenance any German or Japanese car in the driveway. The Fastback was a great design, the stick shift nice and neat features like an attachable tent which allowed you to fold down the rear seats and sleep in the car but within a month the muffler fell off (Dealer initially claimed it wasnā€™t covered by the warranty) and within 2 years the orange body parts had faded to pink and the engine was drinking oil like it was Kool Aid. Combination of GMā€™s rush to build a competitive car and the UAWā€™s sense of entitlement. Aside from itā€™s problems, canā€™t help to wonder what would have happened if GM would have simply built a ā€œnormalā€ 2 liter OHC engine, ā€œnormalā€ body parts and the UAW/GM would have focused on quality instead of getting into a pissing match. Next car, Dad took me to the Datsun dealer. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/11 "2024-12-16T22:06:52Z")
Heh heh. Maybe I should try a dress while cleaning, cooking, and dishes. Iā€™d have to shave my legs though. Maybe if I pierced my ears the wife would let me wear those diamond earrings I got her for Christmas. Interestingly when I look at some of the old videos of guys working in the assembly plants in the 30s, a lot of the guys have ties on under their coveralls. Dad only wore a tie on Sunday though. Guess he thought the welding sparks might burn holes. A kinder gentler time when guys opened doors and girls said thank you. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/12 "2024-12-16T22:17:37Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > And every women shown in the home doing any task was dressed like June Cleaver in Leave it to Beaver. A dress, heels, and pearls! I didnā€™t notice it at the time, but on re-runs JC is quite attractive. > [@Mustangman](#): > > Ward Cleaver never took off his tie when he came home in the evening either! He did seem to keep his tie on long into the evening. But he didnā€™t wear it doing errands around the house and in the garage/ TV show, viewers understand what the characters wear usually isnā€™t realistic. Speaking of unrealistic, the kidā€™s bathroom was more like something youā€™d find in a palace. Huge and sparkling clean all the time. I always wondered who was cleaning the grout ? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/13 "2024-12-17T02:18:19Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > Even better than that, men were typically shown wearing a tie while mowing the lawn and doing other outdoor tasks. I once saw someone doing that. It was 40 to 50 years ago and the guy was an old man. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 3:10am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/14 "2024-12-17T03:10:24Z")
I have a friend who used to do that in his 30s, about 40 years agoā€¦ Tie, white short sleeve shirt wearing a fully loaded pocket protector. I know I donā€™t need to say thisā€¦ but he is an engineer. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/15 "2024-12-17T03:12:25Z")
Who cares, the Vega was meant to buy it blow the engine up and install a much bigger SBC or yet a BBC in it and make it a beast on the streets and dragsā€¦ Well, that is the hot rodders version of the story anyways, thatā€™s my story and Iā€™m sticking to itā€¦ šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 12:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/16 "2024-12-17T12:23:41Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > They failed to brag about the differing expansion rates of the aluminum block & the steel cylinder head, and the engine damage that often resulted Apparently, puffing is not your strong suit šŸ˜€ This thing is a total POSā€¦the engine will grenade and the rear end is sure to fall out, now what can we do to get you in one today? šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/17 "2024-12-17T18:14:03Z")
Flat top haircut and athletic tape holding his glasses together. Does that finish his description? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/18 "2024-12-17T18:33:02Z")
I had a flat top. Never had to worry about hair getting mussed up riding my motor scooter. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/19 "2024-12-17T19:12:56Z")
Closeā€¦ Short hair but no flattop (another, older guy in the office had oneā€¦) and if he did break his glasses, heā€™d use his spare pair or his work-issued safety glasses. With the budget ā€œBuddy Hollyā€ frames šŸ˜† ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401/20 "2024-12-18T01:42:49Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Flat top haircut I still have a flat top to this day. Somewhere in my 20s I figured that short hair was the easiest to keep clean and wash after a day in the shop. And I always wore long sleeves to help keep my arms clean. I suppose now that Iā€™m 55 I should be glad that I still have enough hair to cut flat. [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/prior-to-any-effective-truth-in-advertising-regs/198401.md?page=2)