# PPF Clear Bra **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861 "2018-04-18T01:16:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jman136](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Jman136](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jman136)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/1 "2018-04-18T01:16:14Z")
Hi all! So, I just had Llumar Paint Protection Film installed on the front of my SUV today. I was told to give it about a week to cure before washing. The installer did tell me that automatic car washes are ok. If it comes down to it I may use one (although I prefer to hand wash). For those of you that have the clear bra, what are your thoughts on it? Llumar is suppose to be good. I went back and forth between this and XPEL. They both were good and offered great warranties. Has anyone had edges lifting? I’m excited to not seeing rock chips on my front bumper! Thanks all! ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/2 "2018-04-18T01:36:59Z")
I assume this is like the 3M film. They pitched putting this on with every new car we bought with the painted front bumpers but I never did. What I didn’t like was the dust line that would form where it ended. You could always see it. Not having used the stuff, I really have never had a problem with rock chips in the front by not using it. If it ever did get that bad, I’d rather spend a few hundred to repaint the bumper after five or more years. ---
**Author:** ![Jman136](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Jman136](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jman136)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/3 "2018-04-18T01:39:34Z")
Makes sense. My Llumar film has no orange peel, and is virtually invisible on my white SUV. I am just curious how well this stuff will really hold up. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/4 "2018-04-18T01:41:38Z")
> [@Jman136](#): > > I am just curious how well this stuff will really hold up. You already have it so you are now the official test person. ---
**Author:** ![Jman136](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Jman136](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jman136)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/5 "2018-04-18T01:54:27Z")
Wanted to see what I have to look forward to from someone who has it… ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/6 "2018-04-18T03:18:16Z")
Have it on a 2012 vehicle we got in 2011. No noticeable degradation thus far. Wish I’d gotten it on a 2007 I have - the rock chips in the hood are obnoxious. No rock chips at all in the one that does have it. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:19am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/7 "2018-04-18T09:19:55Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > the rock chips in the hood are obnoxious May I suggest Dr. ColorChip? I’ve done the touch-up bottle of paint routine with some success but heavily gravel rashed paint just makes a mess. The DCC product is a little different, You squirt the paint on and wipe with a silicon squeegee. It fills the chips in. Buff and then apply a sealer-fixer. Not as good as a repaint but it looks good and is far cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![Jman136](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Jman136](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jman136)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/8 "2018-04-18T10:47:39Z")
Shadow fox - do you handwash your vehicle with the clear bra on it? If you use an automatic, do you use a brush one or a touchless? ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/9 "2018-04-18T12:36:35Z")
> [@Jman136](#): > > Makes sense. My Llumar film has no orange peel, and is virtually invisible on my white SUV. I am just curious how well this stuff will really hold up. I would hope it will last, but here is a story why I personally would never apply it: I regularly commute next to a guy in nicely looking Porsche of around 7-9 years old, it has this “protection” applied in the front areas and around the rear arches… so, at this age it looks awful on his car as it cracked and it also yellowed to the point it is very visible on shiny silver body. I bet it was a “dealer-installed option” and I bet at this point it baked into the paint so much by Virginia sun that it can not be remoed anymore ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 12:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/10 "2018-04-18T12:43:49Z")
> [@Jman136](#): > > If you use an automatic, do you use a brush one or a touchless? You spent money on something to protect against rock chips so you are worrying about an automatic car wash . OK, fine. ---
**Author:** ![GorehamJ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/gorehamj/32/24103_2.png) [@GorehamJ](https://community.cartalk.com/u/GorehamJ)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/11 "2018-04-18T14:55:38Z")
I’ve had clear bras on three of my vehicles. On my dark gray Accord it has held up very well. No scuffs from automatic car washes and it does stop stone chips. On a white Acura that has seen duty in Florida it discolored and yellowed. Then mold got under it and stained it black. Quite a disaster. After 10 years forget removing this in any reasonable way. On black Lexus it worked OK, but I bought the car with about 4K miles and the installer did not clean the car before applying it properly. So there were some blemishes under it. I got that one for free as a result and lived with it. It helped quite a bit to keep the stone chips form marring it. This is one of th efew aftermarket items I often recommend to people. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/12 "2018-04-18T15:34:20Z")
Yeah, I’ve used that before. I’ll probably use it again when the touchup paint bottle runs out, assuming I haven’t sold the car by then. > [@Jman136](#): > > Shadow fox - do you handwash your vehicle with the clear bra on it? If you use an automatic, do you use a brush one or a touchless? No. We live in Minnesota. Hand-washing during the winter is an exercise in misery. It gets a mix of brush and touchless washes when the salt gets too obnoxious. It gets a hand wash and wax once winter is over, and in the fall. Other than that… We’re too busy for that stuff. 😉 These aren’t show cars, so mild swirling from brush washes doesn’t really upset us all that much. If it gets too obnoxious we’ll have our detail guy give it a polish, but we’ve not felt the need to do that as yet. ---
**Author:** ![Jman136](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3ab097/32.png) [@Jman136](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Jman136)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/13 "2018-04-18T17:01:31Z")
Shadowfax - I’ll have to give an automatic wash s try. Hopefully, an edge doesn’t lift 🙂 Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/14 "2018-04-18T20:30:46Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > We live in Minnesota. You could wash it yourself during the first two weeks of August between late winter and early winter. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ppf-clear-bra/115861/16 "2022-07-30T00:18:50Z")
My son put it on his car. After about ten years, it looks terrible and it cannot be removed. I would not recommend this to anyone.