# Porsche Panamera rear axle damage **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328 "2018-12-23T21:38:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/21 "2018-12-24T01:26:32Z")
The sub frame is broke, you might be able to find someone that can weld it. When I worked at a Dodge dealer we had a guy that welded aluminum frames as part of a recall. Your Porsche dealer might be able to direct you to a collision shop that can weld that. ---
**Author:** ![NYBo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nybo/32/17281_2.png) [@NYBo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/NYBo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/22 "2018-12-24T02:25:28Z")
Looking at your photo again, it’s clear @Cavell and @Nevada_545 have it right . The mounting point on the subframe is broken off. ---
**Author:** ![Kal\_Kss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Kal\_Kss](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Kal_Kss)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/23 "2018-12-24T04:12:00Z")
Having had a look, it does appear it’s the subframe. I know it’s going to be cheaper with some welds, but is this going to be safe? I know not ideal to weld this, but will it be safe? ---
**Author:** ![NYBo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nybo/32/17281_2.png) [@NYBo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/NYBo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/24 "2018-12-24T13:07:02Z")
It depends on the skills of the welder, if it can be welded at all. Not sure I would trust it, personally. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/25 "2018-12-24T14:17:16Z")
Lemme see… cast aluminum rear suspension subframe (and that is the name of the part) that carries the suspension loads of a heavy car… NO you should NOT weld it, it will not be as strong as it originally was. It must be replaced and it WILL be expensive… VERY expensive 'cause Por$che. And then the labor to replace it will also be quite high. Good Luck! ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/26 "2018-12-24T14:23:43Z")
And we are back to making an insurance claim and having this repaired properly. ---
**Author:** ![anon86613489](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@anon86613489](https://community.cartalk.com/u/anon86613489)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/27 "2018-12-24T14:34:53Z")
I know 2 people here where I live that makes a living out of welding aluminum and neither of them would weld that for all the gold on this planet. It’s a cast frame and as such probably not pure aluminum and probably also porous which, alone, makes welding a no go solution. ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/28 "2018-12-24T14:37:31Z")
there are 2 ears so the bolt is in double shear. your pic shows a 1" gap at the break so that means the ear behind the bolt is also out of place. are BOTH ears broke? didnt catch that at first. a crack is 1 thing, a wide gap in crack means something moved for sure. and there are 2 ears so that means something is up not sure how bright your tech was. he looked at broken part and said the control arm is broke. and did not notice the mounting tabs are broke instead? huh, arm is moved. yep, broken arm ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/29 "2018-12-24T14:44:26Z")
Agree on doubting the tech. For this to break it’d be amazing if no other damage occurred. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/30 "2018-12-24T14:59:52Z")
It’s the sub frame that is broke ![Capture%201](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/2X/9/9cfd5b82d4c7b35a0843f3c070c7426f0bababe7.jpeg) > **[10 Panamera 4S AWD 970 Porsche REAR SUBFRAME MOUNTING BRACKET 97033105105 21,213](https://www.partssociety.com/products/10-panamera-4s-awd-970-porsche-rear-subframe-mounting-bracket-97033105105-21-213)** > > You are purchasing the used Rear Subframe Mounting Bracket ( Build Up ) Part# 970.331.051.05 pictured-removed from a 2010 Porsche Panamera 4S 970 Automatic PDK AWD(all wheel drive) 4.8  VIN# WP0AB2A70AL062200 with ONLY 21,213 Miles! This assembly may... ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/31 "2018-12-24T15:09:26Z")
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**Author:** ![Kal\_Kss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Kal\_Kss](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Kal_Kss)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/32 "2018-12-24T17:10:50Z")
Wheel damaged too, appears will have to be a new subframe 😩😩 Not sure I will trust a welded one ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/33 "2018-12-24T17:15:06Z")
dont sound like a xmas eve job. unless santa puts his crack team of elves on it ---
**Author:** ![Kal\_Kss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Kal\_Kss](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Kal_Kss)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/34 "2018-12-24T17:22:11Z")
What labour cost would I be looking at to chance subframe? ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/35 "2018-12-24T17:28:04Z")
Seeing that most of the people here are US based I doubt if anyone can even make a close guess . You will just have to call for estimates and be prepared for more work then that to be done. ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328/36 "2018-12-24T17:30:31Z")
The labor guide shows about 7 hours of labor. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/porsche-panamera-rear-axle-damage/131328.md?page=1)