# Not Much Reason To Buy A Manual, Except To Be A Stubborn Curmudgeon **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 24, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613 "2016-02-24T13:53:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/61 "2016-02-29T18:05:42Z")
**“In military correspondence an acronym is spelled out then followed by the actual acronym such as All Boys Can’t Dance (ABCD). The acronym may then be used in the remainder of the document.”** That is also the way that we do things when we write legal documents for submission to the court. ---
**Author:** ![BillRussell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/billrussell/32/3179_2.png) [@BillRussell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/BillRussell)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/62 "2016-02-29T18:49:13Z")
It’s also the way we write anything that wants to be understood ! ---
**Author:** ![common-sense-answer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/common-sense-answer/32/716_2.png) [@common-sense-answer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/common-sense-answer)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/63 "2016-02-29T20:01:56Z")
**_OMG! Look what I’ve started… CSA :neutral:_** ---
**Author:** ![BillRussell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/billrussell/32/3179_2.png) [@BillRussell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/BillRussell)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/64 "2016-02-29T20:03:37Z")
Yeah, but I absolutely hate undefined abbreviations. Basically it means that what you are reading is meaningless. OMG, I do know. ---
**Author:** ![common-sense-answer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/common-sense-answer/32/716_2.png) [@common-sense-answer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/common-sense-answer)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/65 "2016-02-29T20:30:03Z")
_ **BillRussell** _ I Read You Loud And Clear, Bill! I don’t like working hard to decipher what somebody is trying to say because they wanted to take an easier route. _ **CSA** _ ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/66 "2016-02-29T20:33:56Z")
Unfortunately, undefined acronyms have become common amongst the younger crowd due to their acceptance in texting. ---
**Author:** ![sgtrock21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/sgtrock21/32/246_2.png) [@sgtrock21](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sgtrock21)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/67 "2016-02-29T20:45:29Z")
the same mountainbike: Unfortunately, undefined acronyms have become common amongst the younger crowd due to their acceptance in texting. And tends to excessively annoy Manual Transmission Driving Curmudgeons MTDCs. ---
**Author:** ![chunkyazian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@chunkyazian](https://community.cartalk.com/u/chunkyazian)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/68 "2016-02-29T22:01:22Z")
PRNDL - people really need driving lessons Back on topic, what tow food to your supermarkets and fuel to your gas stations today are trucks with double digit speeds manual transmissions. However, the current trucking trend is heading toward automatic transmission trucks whose transmissions are computer controlled manual transmissions. When longevity, reliability, and fuel efficiency is concerned, the trucking industry isn’t going with CVTs or hydrodynamic based automatic transmissions. Both of those require hydraulic pumps, which uses some of the engine’s power, to keep the fictional elements engaged to stay in gear. When I drive a manual, I’m using exactly 0 horsepower to keep my car in gear. And that’s the same for trucks with their automated manual transmission. When I’m ready for my next car, I’ll be looking for one with an automated manual. The fact that CVT slips all the time scares me away ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/69 "2016-03-01T00:07:23Z")
> **Unfortunately, undefined acronyms have become common amongst the younger crowd due to their acceptance in texting** Many of the Acronyms used today by kids texting is very very old school. Teletype operations use to use them. Anyone remember Teletypes? ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/70 "2016-03-01T00:35:24Z")
I saw one in a western movie once… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BillRussell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/billrussell/32/3179_2.png) [@BillRussell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/BillRussell)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/71 "2016-03-01T00:41:46Z")
Now we date ourselves. Seems I saw this in an earlier thread… but I used one to program a PDP-8. ASR33 ---
**Author:** ![ken\_green](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/ken_green/32/816_2.png) [@ken\_green](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ken_green)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/72 "2016-03-01T00:42:43Z")
Acronyms and shorthand spelling were very very common in . . . telegrams . too. ---
**Author:** ![meanjoe75fan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/meanjoe75fan/32/552_2.png) [@meanjoe75fan](https://community.cartalk.com/u/meanjoe75fan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/73 "2016-03-01T01:27:38Z")
…and the same abbreviations can have \>1 meaning, depending on context. As in: a 454 Chevy engine…or NOT… ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/74 "2016-03-01T01:50:07Z")
This was long before the PDP-8 ---
**Author:** ![common-sense-answer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/common-sense-answer/32/716_2.png) [@common-sense-answer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/common-sense-answer)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/75 "2016-03-01T02:33:10Z")
_ **"… but I used one to program a PDP-8. ASR33"** _ **A What?** Pathetically Dumb Puppy Ate A Stereo Recording 33? _ **CSA** _ ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/76 "2016-03-01T02:42:06Z")
Who says CVTs slip all the time? ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/77 "2016-03-01T03:49:56Z")
Yeah, CVTs slip little, if at all. But the way the engine acts, revving up with no change in road speed, probably makes people think it’s slipping. ---
**Author:** ![BillRussell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/billrussell/32/3179_2.png) [@BillRussell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/BillRussell)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/78 "2016-03-01T04:06:10Z")
yeah, I didn’t think CVTs (continuously variable transmissions) slipped either. No sane engineer would allow that, in this day of high MPG requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Triedaq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Triedaq](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Triedaq)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/79 "2016-03-01T04:32:22Z")
Back in the 1950s, the debate was on as to whether the better transmission was the transmission that shifted through different gear ratios as, for example, the GM Hydramatic or the transmission that depended on a torque converter as did the Chevrolet PowerGlide or Buick Dynaflow. Neither of my parents liked an automatic transmission. My dad thought the Dynaflow slipped too much to be efficient and my mother said she could shift gears more smoothly than the Hydramatic transmission, so we had a,manual shift Buick. Unfortunately today, on most vehicles, I don’t have s choice of transmissions–I am stuck with what the manufacturer puts in the vehicle. You can’t get a minivan with a manual transmission. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/not-much-reason-to-buy-a-manual-except-to-be-a-stubborn-curmudgeon/92613/80 "2016-03-01T06:12:15Z")
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