# No lane change turn signal causes crash **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 15, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459 "2025-11-15T17:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/1 "2025-11-15T17:06:00Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/0/4/043f24d989da2e9c7b35193e55c8dc4d27cfab5f.jpeg "dashcam Records reckless driver cassaps #automobile #dashcam #explore") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIq1Wf--xr0) ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/2 "2025-11-15T18:11:37Z")
It wasn’t the lack of a turn signal that caused that crash. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/3 "2025-11-15T18:38:55Z")
That is the reason I have always said, if you see someone coming up on you really fast, DON’T change lanes, stay in YOUR lane, the driver that is speeding has already calculated going around you!!! (most of the time) That is especially when it is a motorcycle… Speeding aside, if the Jeep(?) had not moved over the BMW would have made the lane change and went around the Jeep, missing the Jeep AND the vehicle with the rear facing cam… The saying 2 wrongs don’t make a right comes to mind here… Always let the fast driver go around you cause now even if the BMW could have moved back into his lane, at that point he has the vehicle in front of the Jeep to deal with now… This is coming from someone that has driven fast as well as discussed this with many others that drive fast… STAY in your lane!!! I’m not talking about someone doing 10-15 mph over, and there is always exceptions… **And NO, I do not condone driving fast!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/4 "2025-11-15T19:50:53Z")
I also dislike speeders. Though I don’t tell people that I prefer to obey laws. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 9:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/5 "2025-11-15T21:16:51Z")
Speeding caused this crash, why even mention turn signal? ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/6 "2025-11-15T22:36:24Z")
> [@Cavell](#): > > Though I don’t tell people that I prefer to obey laws. Is it “uncool” or something, to say so? ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 11:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/7 "2025-11-15T23:09:52Z")
…an example of someone learning to drive in a stolen BMW. Motor vehicle theft isn’t often reported on the news but is quite common. Got to CrimeMapping dot com to see if your area is monitored for crime statistics. Below is an example of St. Louis during the last 7 days, each car icon represents a vehicle theft reported. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/0/b/0b45d96592054c3bcb8a3faa4df075f56e741282.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Robert-Gift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/robert-gift/32/356_2.png) [@Robert-Gift](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Robert-Gift)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/8 "2025-11-16T00:47:49Z")
> [@texases](#): > > _Speeding caused this crash, why even mention turn signal?_ Had lane #4 vehicle signaled, the speeding car would have abandoned plans to use open lane #5 which would become occupied. Or braked before passing on the right shoulder - the only alterative dolt left himself. Best to do as Davesmopar. _“… DON’T change lanes …”_ ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 1:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/9 "2025-11-16T01:03:19Z")
The cause of the accident was speeding, probably doing 40 mph over the speed limit. It’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 6:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/10 "2025-11-16T06:03:55Z")
Well there is driving fast and driving fast asleep. The guy that was coming up behind me fast one morning was asleep. I managed to get his attention and saw his startled face in my mirror. I’m not sure if I would have gone right or left but there is no way I would have just let him ram me at 70 mph. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 7:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/11 "2025-11-16T07:18:03Z")
If you weren’t in the process of turning off the road when sleepy came up behind you, then legally you have the right to self preservation by any means..! ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 8:36am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/12 "2025-11-16T08:36:46Z")
Four lane interstate. Limited options. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/13 "2025-11-16T13:50:32Z")
> [@davesmopar](#): > > That is the reason I have always said, if you see someone coming up on you really fast, DON’T change lanes, stay in YOUR lane, the driver that is speeding has already calculated going around you!!! (most of the time) Whenever I’m driving down I-93 or Rt 128 (aka I-95) NOT during rush-hour traffic - this happens all the time. There will always be several cars (not all at once) driving well above the speed limit or the prevailing speed of 70mph. They like to weave in and out of cars. They are 99% of the problem. The other 1% are the drivers that love to drive in that left lane (many at below the speed limit). Now everyone has to go around them. ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/14 "2025-11-16T14:27:26Z")
You tube has evidence of poor drivers. I seen it. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2025, 4:29am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/15 "2025-11-18T04:29:00Z")
> [@Robert-Gift](#): > > Had lane #4 vehicle signaled, the speeding car would have abandoned plans to use open lane #5 which would become occupied. That is so NOT TRUE. I can’t even begin to tell you of the number of times I have given a signal to move right so that a faster car could pass me on the left. Bare in mind that I am a fast driver, not like the speeder in the video, but I drive a little faster than about 90% of the drivers on the road so I do spend quite a bit of time in the left lane. If a driver wants to go faster than me, I will not hold them up, I’ll let them get that ticket I probably so richly deserve. In almost every case, when I give a turn signal and move to the right, the driver that is gaining on me will also move to the right (usually not giving a signal) and then suddenly have to swerve back to the left. In most cases, the faster driver is not going that much faster than me and I see them coming in enough time so neither of us has to do anything quickly. My turn signal will have been on for several seconds before I start moving over so I don’t know why this happens, but it happens a lot. If I get caught by surprise by a really fast moving vehicle, then I don’t do anything sudden. When I do get surprised, it is by someone doing well over 100 mph, and I mean well over. ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 2:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/16 "2025-12-07T14:00:01Z")
Several time I have given space to someone with their turn signal on, they did not change lanes, driver simply did not cancel their turn signal. I think in the 80s Cadillac made the turn signal noise in the cabin to increase in volume the longer it is left on. That is one of those thing I would like on every vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/17 "2025-12-07T14:06:07Z")
> [@Purebred](#): > > they did not change lanes, driver simply did not cancel their turn signal. That’s referred to as an “_eventual_ turn or lane change”. It may happen at some unspecified time in the future. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 2:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/18 "2025-12-07T14:15:24Z")
Usually it is a left turn signal that remains on until they turn right😀 ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/19 "2025-12-07T18:42:28Z")
> [@Purebred](#): > > Usually it is a left turn signal that remains on until they turn right​😀 Just saw a driver do that last night. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459/20 "2025-12-07T20:01:23Z")
> [@Purebred](#): > > Usually it is a left turn signal that remains on until they turn right Years ago I was listening to a comedian talking about older drivers like his mom. “She gets in the car and makes sure the left turn signal is on before she drives out of the driveway.” [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/no-lane-change-turn-signal-causes-crash/204459.md?page=2)