# New Here so dont hate! Looking to buy... and advice **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 14, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539 "2017-01-14T21:52:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/41 "2017-01-20T01:43:25Z")
Now tell me how you consider Mazda to be one of the 3 main Japanese carmakers I agree with Toyota and Honda, but I’m not sure about Mazda IMO Nissan would be #3 on that list, unless I missed something and they’ve been kicked to the curb by Mazda ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/42 "2017-01-20T01:53:51Z")
Might not be the true picture but a search found the top selling cars for June 2016 and there was not a Mazda on the list. ---
**Author:** ![stargazer72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/74df32/32.png) [@stargazer72](https://community.cartalk.com/u/stargazer72)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/43 "2017-01-20T04:43:28Z")
My bad. This is what I get for not proofing my typing. I had meant to say, “Nissan,” which, of course, is much larger than Toyo Kogyo. Mazda is a spunky, though relatively small, player, as is well known - except for my subconscious, apparently. T.G.'s willingness to champion odd technologies, like Wankel engines, and to develop uncommon techniques like Skyactiv for piston engines, sets it apart, and it is hoped that any merger or buyout would include a skunkworks-like division which would let the Mazda engineers continue some of their projects, maybe even with better budgets! ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/44 "2017-01-20T04:47:17Z")
No problem 🙂 I learned something just now . . . I had never heard of “Toyo Kogyo” ---
**Author:** ![stargazer72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/74df32/32.png) [@stargazer72](https://community.cartalk.com/u/stargazer72)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/45 "2017-01-20T05:36:09Z")
But you did know that Mitsubishi was the WWII fighter aircraft builder? Their logo recalls a plane’s propellor, much like some other companies’. ---
**Author:** ![Docnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Docnick](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Docnick)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/46 "2017-01-20T14:17:03Z")
Nissan is owned by Renault of France. So it is technically a European company. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/47 "2017-01-20T17:53:06Z")
> [@Docnick](#): > > Nissan is owned by Renault of France. So it is technically a European company. Renault only owns about 40% of Nissan. Japan actually has a law that many of their major companies can only have up to 45% foreign ownership ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/48 "2017-01-21T00:21:18Z")
Much like BMW . . . I’m surprised you didn’t mention them by name 😃 ---
**Author:** ![stargazer72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/74df32/32.png) [@stargazer72](https://community.cartalk.com/u/stargazer72)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/49 "2017-01-21T00:58:38Z")
Also Daimler-Benz. 🙂 Curious that Germany and Japan spawned companies that made motor vehicles and aircraft (not necessarily at the same time) but I can’t think of any in North America. Some carmakers did build heavy vehicles like transport trucks, personnel carriers and even tanks, but aircraft? Conversely, none of the aircraft manufacturers, as far as I know, got involved in road (or off-road) vehicles. Curtiss-Wright, for example, might have experimented with cars or motorcycles, given the Brothers’ original business in bicycles. Maybe someone can enlighten us? I suppose Tucker Motors could qualify peripherally, since their original engine of choice was an aluminum-block air-cooled plant originally designed for helicopters. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/50 "2017-01-21T01:14:39Z")
I mentioned BMW specifically, because I know for a fact their blue and white logo is spinning propeller blades I’m well aware that Daimler-Benz has an aerospace division . . . but I’m not sure their three-pointed star logo is representative of an aircraft’s propeller blades That’s why I didn’t mention them in my earlier reply ---
**Author:** ![bscar2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bscar2/32/2468_2.png) [@bscar2](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bscar2)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/51 "2017-01-21T01:24:19Z")
7 world car makers? Ford GM Porche/VW(they are still partnered, right?) Honda Toyota BMW/Mini Mercedes ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/52 "2017-01-21T13:53:00Z")
They built the items that the government asked them to. Chrysler built engines for the B-29, Ford built the B-24, and GM built engines for the P-38 and P-51. ---
**Author:** ![stargazer72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/74df32/32.png) [@stargazer72](https://community.cartalk.com/u/stargazer72)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/53 "2017-01-21T17:41:21Z")
I just remembered reading something (on the Internet, so can’t vouch too strongly) that suggested the BMW logo was NOT a propellor. I don’t remember if the design was explained otherwise, but I also remember being told, at the dealership where I was getting my 2002s (had two) serviced, that the logo was a prop. I can’t imagine why the company, which did make aircraft engines, would have used that design by accident. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/54 "2017-01-21T22:39:43Z")
Most P-51 Mustangs used Merlin engines built by Packard under license from Rolls-Royce. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/55 "2017-01-21T22:52:31Z")
I disagree with your source AFAIK, in very early BMW logos, the blue and white was clearly seen to be spinning propeller blades, but it became more vague over time ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/56 "2017-01-22T00:12:01Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > They built the items that the government asked them to. Chrysler built engines for the B-29, Ford built the B-24, and GM built engines for the P-38 and P-51. …and Packard was chosen to manufacture the _Rolls Royce Merlin_ engine because it was felt that **only** Packard had the expertise to build that very complex engine design without resulting problems. That decision proved to be a valid one. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/57 "2017-01-22T00:19:19Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > in very early BMW logos, the blue and white was clearly seen to be spinning propeller blades, but it became more vague over time I posted something to that effect a few years ago, and another forum member informed me that the blue and white design was taken from a traditional Bavarian royal crest. **wer weiß?** ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/58 "2017-01-22T00:31:41Z")
I just did a Google search and found a BMW history site. They claim the logo started in 1917 and was not propeller related. Something about Bavarian Free State colors but could not be an exact match. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/59 "2017-01-22T14:55:10Z")
> **[How GM's Divisions Tackled the War Effort](https://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/career-advice/military-transition/how-gm-divisions-tackled-war-effort.html)** > > GM rushed in to create what President Roosevelt called "the arsenal of democracy." This is the source. See the part about the V-1710 Allison aircraft engine. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539/60 "2017-01-22T16:12:22Z")
Here’s a good article about the replacement of the Allison with the superior Merlin: [http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/p-51-mustangs-switch-to-merlin-engine-made-it-the-world-beater-of-world-war-ii/](http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/p-51-mustangs-switch-to-merlin-engine-made-it-the-world-beater-of-world-war-ii/) [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/new-here-so-dont-hate-looking-to-buy-and-advice/98539.md?page=4)