# ‘Motor Vehicle Crash Prevention’ **URL:** \ **Category:** Safety\ **Created:** [August 2, 2025, 2:11am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246 "2025-08-02T02:11:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 11:32am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/41 "2025-08-04T11:32:37Z")
In that photo, I only see left turns from Northeastern Blvd, people exiting from the shopping area would need to find a different exit. We have a big box store, northern most exit is right turn only, to turn left leaving the parking lot you use the south exit which is controlled by a traffic light. ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 11:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/42 "2025-08-04T11:35:20Z")
Darn, I had to delete what I wrote, somehow it got totally garbled. What I meant to say, I hate those reduced speeds for trucks, imagine truckers do too. They serve no purpose, just increase congestion. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/43 "2025-08-04T13:04:49Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > > [@bing](#): > > > > They have a couple speed bumps > > So that makes two people who still call them speed _bumps_. > > The other being moi. Well at least one more… lol > [@LoudThunder](#): > > speed bumps are loud ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/44 "2025-08-04T13:20:57Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > I looked at my speedometer and realized I was going anywhere from 60 to 75mph. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/8/1/81cbffbefbe3cde234ba5c1b648d377f3cd55b7c.gif) ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/45 "2025-08-04T14:11:10Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > As long as I keep right, use “slower traffic” lanes if provided, and so on. Basically, don’t be a left or middle lane camper. This is the point. Impeding traffic has nothing to do with the speed limit and everything to do with going significantly slower than prevailing traffic while blocking them from going past. If you are traveling in the right most lane, then you only need to exceed any posted minimum. On the expressways where the posted limit is 55, the minimum may be shown below that and be set at something like 45. Traffic is free to flow around you in the left lane(s). Where I have seen police pull someone over, they are camped in the left (passing) lane with a long line of aggravated vehicles behind them. BTW, the same thing happens on the golf course. Slow play will be met by the Ranger telling you to speed up or move to the side to let faster groups pass 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/46 "2025-08-04T14:47:22Z")
As with a lot of the revisionist vernacular in this century, so had the speed bump been renamed: Speed “hump”. I will carry speed bump to the grave. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/47 "2025-08-04T14:55:20Z")
> [@TwinTurbo](#): > > Impeding traffic has nothing to do with the speed > > limit and everything to do with going significantly slower than prevailing traffic Then the question to be asked, broadly, is: How did the prevailing speed bubble (range of actual avg. speed) of traffic move so much higher than the posted legal speed bubble (EG: min 40, max 55mph)? I want to do what’s legal, or correct, not follow ‘a million wrongs…” (you all know the rest) ---
**Author:** ![LoudThunder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/loudthunder/32/27769_2.png) [@LoudThunder](https://community.cartalk.com/u/LoudThunder)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 2:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/48 "2025-08-04T14:55:35Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > When I have, in the past, _blended in with, or matched their speeds as an experiment,_ I looked at my speedometer and realized I was going anywhere from 60 to 75mph. > > Not opinion. My scientific findings. Chris, if you feel that you are “being pushed” to drive over the speed limit, or just faster than you prefer, then it would probably be safer for you to always take the side roads and stay off the expressways, bypasses, thruways, and anything else associated with a “highway…” When you are on a side road, whose speed limit seldom exceeds 50 MPH, and cars start to pile up behind you, then it is an easy task for you to simply pull off the roadway and allow these vehicles to pass, then you can resume your journey at your chosen speed. Just a reminder, these side roads are generally where you will find a stopped school bus (you know that big yellow thing with flashing lights…) with kids getting on or off… So be extra vigilant, “they are out to get you…” ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/49 "2025-08-04T15:00:19Z")
> [@LoudThunder](#): > > Just a reminder, these side roads are generally where you will find a stopped school bus (you know that big yellow thing with flashing lights…) All the more reason for us to drive at or slightly below posted, on said side road. and if I pull aside for anyone, they will probably have official markings and variations of rooftop and fender mount lights. And no, I’m not giving up highways. I will continue to drive in a legal manner, not the herd manner. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/50 "2025-08-04T15:02:16Z")
> [@LoudThunder](#): > > just faster than you prefer, I have no problem with sustaining 60-70 or whatever mph, as long as the posted speed limit is those speeds, or higher. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/51 "2025-08-04T15:50:13Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > As with a lot of the revisionist vernacular in this century, so had the speed bump been renamed: > > Speed “hump”. > > I will carry speed bump to the grave. Ummmm, you do know there is a difference between a speed bump and a speed hump is right?? A speed bump is taller and narrower vs a speed hump is flatter ad wider, a bump is designed for you to have to almost stop or slow you down to about 5ish mph while going over it, a hump is designed to just slow traffic down to about the 10-15 mph speed… Bumps are used more in the parking lots, apartment complexes and what nots, whereas humps are used more in subdivisions and the like… At least that is how they are in my state… > **[Speed Bumps vs Speed Humps: Differences - Roadskysafety](https://roadskysafety.com/speed-bumps-vs-speed-humps)** > > Speed bumps and speed humps are two common traffic calming measures used on roads to slow down the speed of vehicles. While they may seem similar, there are important differences between speed bumps and speed humps that make them suitable for... ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/52 "2025-08-04T15:53:53Z")
It’s not enough a distinction for the general public, or even law enforcement (if investigating an incident involving one) to care. So speed bump it is, for everyone in my family, friends, and people I talk to in passing at the grocery store or diner. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/53 "2025-08-04T16:00:20Z")
> [@davesmopar](#): > > Bumps are used more in the parking lots, apartment complexes and what nots, whereas humps are used more in subdivisions and the like… At least that is how they are in my state… That’s the way that it is in my state, also–with an occasional exception. Speed “humps” can be safely traversed at 10-15 mph, and they can be found on some local roads. At the school where I was on the faculty for 3+ decades, a few speed humps would have been sufficient, but instead they installed speed bumps on the school’s perimeter roadway that were so high as to cause damage if anyone was foolish enough to drive over them at more than 5 mph. ---
**Author:** ![bloody\_knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@bloody\_knuckles](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bloody_knuckles)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/54 "2025-08-04T16:04:27Z")
Same in NY State. Impeding the flow of traffic, even if you are going the speed limit, will get you a ticket. ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/55 "2025-08-04T16:05:41Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > I want to do what’s legal, or correct, not follow ‘a million wrongs…” I already cited what is legal. They have a citation for impeding traffic for this very reason. If you choose not to acknowledge that and the fact even the people charged with upholding the laws recognize and enforce it, then this is no longer a discussion… Adding- BTW- what’s legal in many states is this- **stay right except to pass**. Notice it doesn’t also say, unless you are going the speed limit. If you are going below the prevailing speeds, you certainly are not passing many people, if any, so just move over to the right and no one will bother you about it. Simple. Unless you’re just hellbent on causing trouble to make your point or play policeman… ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/56 "2025-08-04T16:14:47Z")
> [@TwinTurbo](#): > > Unless you’re just hellbent on causing trouble to make your point or play policeman… Back in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s, there was a retired M.D. who made it his point to drive on the Capital Beltway–during rush hour–in the left lane, below the speed limit. He “wanted to let everyone know that they should never exceed the speed limit”. God only knows how many accidents he caused. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/57 "2025-08-04T16:15:34Z")
> [@bloody\_knuckles](#): > > Adding- BTW- what’s legal in many states is this- **stay right except to pass**. Notice > > it doesn’t also say, unless you are going the speed limit. If you are going below the > > prevailing speeds, you certainly are not passing many people, if any, so just move > > over to the right I don’t have to move to the right: If you read back through my comments, I’m _already in the right lane,_ on limited access highway and 4 lane (two each way) roads. I don’t ‘enforce’ speed limits by doing it in the middle or left lanes. I demonstrate it, by keep rightmost, at or just below posted. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/58 "2025-08-04T16:24:38Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > So speed bump it is, for everyone in my family, friends, and people I talk to in passing at the grocery store or diner. You talk speed bumps to complete strangers at the grocery store ? Good Grief , you are not well. ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/59 "2025-08-04T16:27:11Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > Then the question to be asked, broadly, is: How did the prevailing speed bubble (range of actual avg. speed) of traffic move so much higher than the posted legal speed bubble (EG: min 40, max 55mph)? There are a number of studies dedicated to the analysis of prevailing speeds versus established speed limits. In short, the majority of people will travel at a speed that they feel is comfortable (safe?) given the road conditions regardless of the established speed limit. Speed limits tend to be very conservative and road design has almost always taken into account a huge margin in terms of safety. People will naturally erode and use up that margin to the point they feel uncomfortable. I seem to recall reading that the expressway system was designed for speeds up to 80mph in many locations (not urban crossing). That is why you see the general flow around here approaching that speed when it is just based on road limitations and not traffic density. I also recall some years back reading a legal brief where the prevailing speed was recognized as reasonable argument where the speed limits were set overly low for the given situation. Not sure I can find that again but will look… ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246/60 "2025-08-04T16:33:25Z")
> [@VOLVO-V70](#): > > You talk speed bumps to complete strangers at the grocery store ? Good Grief , you are not well. Did I mention in my post whether it was I or or the other person who breached the subject? [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/motor-vehicle-crash-prevention/201246.md?page=4)