# More than 1/3 of oil gone at "Add" **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** corolla, toyota\ **Created:** [July 4, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818 "2020-07-04T17:18:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/1 "2020-07-04T17:18:28Z")
According to the Owner’s Manual, my 2009 Corolla 1.8 liter holds 4.4 quarts of oil (including filter). But there’s a difference of 1.6 quarts from “Add” to “Full.” That means at “Add” it’s lost more than 1/3 of its oil (in fact, a bit over 36%). I don’t understand how it would be acceptable to run an engine with more than 1/3 of its oil gone. I know from experience that when it’s halfway between “Add” and “Full” it’s already down about a quart. My guess is that the Corolla 1.8 liter uses the same dipstick as other engines but the difference in levels is because of the shape of the pan. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to what Toyota’s engineers were thinking? ---
**Author:** ![melott](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/melott/32/10827_2.png) [@melott](https://community.cartalk.com/u/melott)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/2 "2020-07-04T17:21:59Z")
having taught engineers physics for 35 years, I think you are being presumptuous to assume they were thinking. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/3 "2020-07-04T17:34:42Z")
You should not wait until the oil level has reached the “add” mark to add–you should keep it topped off at all times. However, I would assume that the engineers have determined that as long as the oil is kept above that point, the probability of engine damage is low. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/4 "2020-07-04T17:39:31Z")
> [@bcohen2010](#): > > You should not wait until the oil level has reached the “add” mark to add +1 It is very rare that I have to add any oil between changes, but when I pull the dipstick, if I see that the level is down by even 1/4 qt, I replenish it. ---
**Author:** ![MarcoPolo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8edcca/32.png) [@MarcoPolo1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MarcoPolo1)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/5 "2020-07-04T17:56:51Z")
> [@davepsinbox\_157004](#): > > That means at “Add” it’s lost more than 1/3 of its oil (in fact, a bit over 36%). I don’t understand how it would be acceptable to run an engine with more than 1/3 of its oil gone. Dave, I have a feeling your Corolla may be burning oil, and the exhaust may have a leak, which is going into the passenger compartment. Fresh air and years of positive life experiences will hopefully answer the question you’ve asked. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/6 "2020-07-04T18:11:32Z")
> [@MarcoPolo1](#): > > Fresh air and years of positive life experiences will hopefully answer the question you’ve asked. What in the world does that even mean and where does the ’ you may have an exhaust leak come from ? '. ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/7 "2020-07-04T18:19:48Z")
> [@VOLVO\_V70](#): > > What in the world does that even mean and where does the ’ you may have an exhaust leak come from ? '. It means @MarcoPolo1 thinks the only reason I’m concerned is that I’m suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning. As for everyone else, thanks for your replies. ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/8 "2020-07-04T18:28:36Z")
> **[How to Check the Oil Level in a Toyota Corolla](https://practicalmechanic.com/2018/01/20/how-to-check-the-oil-level-in-a-toyota-corolla/)** > > Check the oil level frequently on your vehicle, check out this article to learn how. Tester ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/9 "2020-07-04T19:21:14Z")
You are correct. It is not acceptable to run an engine 15% down on motor oil; much less 36%. That just beats the hell out of the remaining motor oil. I’ve often wondered many times what engineers were thinking and it’s not just Toyota. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/10 "2020-07-04T19:35:10Z")
My experience with the Toyota Corolla 1.8L engine is that it is only one quart between the full and the add mark. Never had to add more than one quart to go from add to full. I have seen a few engines that are only 1/2 quart between add and full, but never more than one quart difference. Possibly Dave’s Corolla has the wrong dipstick for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/11 "2020-07-04T20:04:39Z")
> [@Tester](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/a/e/ae2760ed0ed37a5cbc10fa3942bb25314165b11b.png) [Practical Mechanic – 20 Jan 18](https://practicalmechanic.com/2018/01/20/how-to-check-the-oil-level-in-a-toyota-corolla/) > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/1/2/121db6f3d79d5ba67b2db4f583da9d3553ea539a.jpeg) > > ### [How to Check the Oil Level in a Toyota Corolla](https://practicalmechanic.com/2018/01/20/how-to-check-the-oil-level-in-a-toyota-corolla/) > > Check the oil level frequently on your vehicle, check out this article to learn how. > > Tester I know how to check my oil, thanks. What I _don’t_ know is why the people at Toyota would want me to think there’s not a problem until the oil is down more than 1/3. ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/12 "2020-07-04T20:08:03Z")
The add mark = 1 qt low. 4,4 qts - 1 qt = less than 25% low. Tester ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/13 "2020-07-04T20:16:41Z")
> [@keith](#): > > My experience with the Toyota Corolla 1.8L engine is that it is only one quart between the full and the add mark. Never had to add more than one quart to go from add to full. I have seen a few engines that are only 1/2 quart between add and full, but never more than one quart difference. > > Possibly Dave’s Corolla has the wrong dipstick for some reason. This is from page 314 of my Owner’s Manual: > [@](#): > > The approximate quantity of oil needed to raise the level between low and full on the dipstick is indicated as follows: > 1.8 L 4-cylinder (2ZR-FE) engine > 1.6 qt. (1.5 L, 1.3 lmp. qt.) And this is from page 421: > [@](#): > > Oil capacity > (drain and refill) > With filter > 1.8 L 4-cylinder (2ZR-FE) engine > 4.4 qt. (4.2 L, 3.7 Imp.qt.) Again, I know from experience that it takes a quart to bring it from the halfway point to full. It may well have the wrong dipstick but that doesn’t change what’s written in the Owner’s Manual. ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/14 "2020-07-04T21:29:42Z")
Sure looks like the distance from add to full is about 1 thumb width. Which is 1”. ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/15 "2020-07-04T21:32:44Z")
Perhaps Dilberts pointy hair boss now works for Toyota. ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/16 "2020-07-04T21:35:52Z")
> [@Tester](#): > > The add mark = 1 qt low. > 4,4 qts - 1 qt = less than 25% low. > > Tester Usually yes but that’s not what the Owner’s Manual says. I’d always assumed “Add” meant a quart low but then I added half a quart when the dipstick was between “Add” and “Full” and it didn’t come up to “Full.” In fact, it didn’t show near “Full” until I added a full quart. That’s when I decided to check my Owner’s Manual and found out “Add” means 1.6 quarts low. ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/17 "2020-07-04T21:37:30Z")
> [@Purebred](#): > > Perhaps Dilberts pointy hair boss now works for Toyota. Since the car was built in 2009 or thereabouts he’s apparently been there for a while. ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/18 "2020-07-04T21:38:21Z")
If it were me I’d probably just add 5 quarts at the oil change. It will not hurt anything to overfill it a bit and it could be considered liquid insurance. A half quart or so over is harmless. We did have a Subaru in once with a seized manual transmission upper mainshaft bearing. Someone in CO had installed an automatic final drive stick into a manual final drive. The auto stick was an inch longer and that caused a FULL reading on the stick while leaving the transmission a quart down on gear oil. That in turn caused oil starvation up top at the mainshaft. I then considered that someone in CO was likely driving around with the wrong stick in their automatic and wondering why it was puking out gear oil all the time. ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/19 "2020-07-04T21:41:26Z")
The dipstick always indicates above “Full” after an oil change so yeah, the shop is probably putting 5 quarts in a 4.4 quart engine just to be safe. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818/20 "2020-07-04T21:46:08Z")
Well, your engine can still run fine with 1/3 of oil gone. The oil is picked up at the bottom of the pan by the oil pump. It will not affect the volumn or pressure of the oil fed to the engine. What is will do though is the oil will be cycling through the oil more often and getting less time to cool down in the pan. Running oil at a higher temperature will shorten the life of the oil, but as long as you don’t reach the end of life for the oil, the engine will not be damaged. My daughter had a 2003 Corolla with a 1.8 L engine but IIRC the engine was a 1ZZ-FE. [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/more-than-1-3-of-oil-gone-at-add/166818.md?page=2)