# Modern cars spy on your sex life? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 10, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787 "2023-09-10T19:59:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/1 "2023-09-10T19:59:03Z")
So says the Mozilla foundation **It’s Official: Cars Are the Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy** > **[\*Privacy Not Included: A Buyer’s Guide for Connected Products](https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/)** > > All 25 car brands we researched earned our \*Privacy Not Included warning label – making cars the worst category of products that we have ever reviewed “[Modern cars] can collect super intimate information about you – from your medical information, your genetic information, to your “sex life” (seriously), to how fast you drive, where you drive, and what songs you play in your car – in huge quantities. They then use it to invent more data about you through “inferences” about things like your intelligence, abilities, and interests.” ---
**Author:** ![weekend-warrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/weekend-warrior/32/26122_2.png) [@weekend-warrior](https://community.cartalk.com/u/weekend-warrior)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/2 "2023-09-10T20:03:51Z")
Your cellphone does the same thing. It collects all your info. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/3 "2023-09-10T20:07:41Z")
One can make-do without a cell phone, or at least without a smart phone, but its very hard to function in the USA w/o a car. Folks who are concerned about privacy pretty much will have to drive the older cars maybe. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/4 "2023-09-10T20:13:44Z")
Smart TV’s do the same thing… I really don’t care though, I just smile and wave at the camera and put on a show… Not my fault if they want to gouge their eyes out afterwards… 🤣 🤣 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/5 "2023-09-10T20:15:11Z")
TV, I can understand. But I wonder how a car knows about your sex life? ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/6 "2023-09-10T20:19:27Z")
Well with this being a family friendly form all I can say is most vehicles have more than one row of seats… lol Probably from conversations you have, but I would guess because of blue tooth, and linking your phone to it for calls and music etc… ---
**Author:** ![weekend-warrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/weekend-warrior/32/26122_2.png) [@weekend-warrior](https://community.cartalk.com/u/weekend-warrior)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/7 "2023-09-10T20:23:45Z")
With newer cars they can tell your location. if you are always parked at strip clubs and not home, your sex life might not be the greatest. 😉 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/8 "2023-09-10T20:24:19Z")
> [@weekend-warrior](#): > > if you are always parked at strip clubs and not home, your sex life might not be the greatest. 😉 🤣 Why do you say that? … lol … ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/9 "2023-09-10T20:40:02Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > I wonder how a car knows about your sex life? Easy solution: Stop having sex in your car. 😏 However, I would like someone to explain how my car’s telematics system could access my medical records (hint: it can’t, due to HIPAA regs), or my genetic information. My thought is that this article is just one _very_ small step in validity above the usual _click-bait_. Yes, the vehicle’s telematics system can clearly determine my driving habits/patterns as well as what music and other Sirius/XM programming to which I listen. > [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > Folks who are concerned about privacy pretty much will have to drive the older cars maybe. I think that you are trying to rationalize your affinity for vehicles that are older–and less safe, less economical, and less reliable–than newer vehicles. I did see that article before George posted it, and my first–and only–thought on the topic was… Whoever wants to know about the music to which I listen is welcome to it. As to info on my driving habits/patterns, anyone looking at that info is going to be _extremely_ bored. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/10 "2023-09-10T20:43:15Z")
I don’t drive cars with built-in telemetry, driver data recording, or remote-communication features. My ideal level of technology would be found in a mid-1990’s model, and after the early 2000’s, it’s downhill fast. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/11 "2023-09-10T20:49:03Z")
> [@bcohen2010](#): > > My ideal level of technology would be found in a mid-1990’s model, and after the early 2000’s, it’s downhill fast. With all due respect, have you pondered the point that, as the years pass, the pool of those vehicles is going to shrink continually, and within not very many years that pool will consist of nothing that is still driveable? What do you plan to do at that point? ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/12 "2023-09-10T21:00:50Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > One can make-do without a cell phone, or at least without a smart phone Every day that becomes more and more difficult. You can’t park in for-pay local parking spots without a smart phone in my county. People complain about “privacy” but connect their lives to their smart phones, cars and home… Hello Alexa play Hendrix…Siri where can I get a coffee nearby, and then we connect our phones to our cars and talk to our cars! Privacy has become non-existent. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/13 "2023-09-10T21:07:40Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > People complain about “privacy” but connect their lives to their smart phones, cars and home Yup! But, I am willing to wager at least the price of a cup of coffee that most people who complain about other types of _invasion of privacy_ aren’t aware that their Smartphone tracks their travels. > [@Mustangman](#): > > You can’t park in for-pay local parking spots without a smart phone in my county. A couple of months ago, I visited a new mega-mall in Northern NJ that is an entertainment destination, as well as a shopping venue. When it came time to leave, I had to install their app on my phone in order to pay for parking at the kiosk (No human attendants). I don’t plan to return to that mall, so once I got home I immediately deleted that app from my phone. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/14 "2023-09-10T21:11:45Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > When it came time to leave, I had to install their app on my phone in order to pay for parking at the kiosk (No human attendants). What happens if you don’t have a smart phone? Is there an exit that has an attendant? ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/15 "2023-09-10T21:13:33Z")
Privacy has become non-existent. And getting wose every day. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/16 "2023-09-10T21:14:49Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > With all due respect, have you pondered the point that, as the years pass, the pool of those vehicles is going to shrink continually, and within not very many years that pool will consist of nothing that is still driveable? What do you plan to do at that point? Well, I’m 43 years old right now. Based upon how old my father and grandfather were when they died, I assume that I have another 37 years left to drive. Even today, there are still cars from the 1970’s and early 1980’s offered for sale from time to time. I assume that suitable vehicles to meet my needs will remain in circulation until I am too old and tired to work on cars any longer. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/17 "2023-09-10T21:20:05Z")
This would have made for a great Car Talk radio show topic! I can imagine Tom and Ray discussing this and making a lot of funny jokes in the process. \*My car knows about my sex life? Really? Something to do with the gear shift lever? Seat sensors? \* … lol … ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/18 "2023-09-10T22:14:36Z")
We got off a cruise in Feb. Expecting customs to ask to declare smokes and booze, no questions asked, facial recognition and good to go! ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/19 "2023-09-10T22:20:39Z")
I always like to buy a few Cuban cigars on those cruise trips, but never brave enough to try to get them back into USA … lol … ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787/20 "2023-09-10T23:01:54Z")
I heard that on the radio but they never actually explained the sex life part. True much information is being collected from multiple sources even when you buy something. The problem is not necessarily the collection of the information but the sharing and selling and storing of it. So it is time for a whole new set of strict data privacy laws to cover this stuff. Then there are the door bell cameras and other information stored by who knows who through Amazon. [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/modern-cars-spy-on-your-sex-life/192787.md?page=2)