# Letter from the listener **URL:** \ **Category:** The Show\ **Created:** [January 4, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/letter-from-the-listener/76500 "2013-01-04T04:54:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Murugan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9a28c/32.png) [@Murugan](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Murugan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/letter-from-the-listener/76500/1 "2013-01-04T04:54:42Z")
There was letter, may be few years ago from a listener which goes like this “Do two people who don’t know what they talking about sound more stupid than if it is just one person who does know what he is talking about” or something like that. Does anyone know how I can get to hear that letter again - what show it was on? ---
**Author:** ![WesternRoadtripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a698b9/32.png) [@WesternRoadtripper](https://community.cartalk.com/u/WesternRoadtripper)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 12:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/letter-from-the-listener/76500/2 "2013-01-05T12:52:51Z")
@Murugan: You are referring to what I believe will forever be regarded as the _Ultimate Classic Cartalk story_. It began with a caller asking a question about electric brakes on a cattle trailer, reached its zenith weeks later with the legendary “Andy Letter”, and is commemorated occasionally with fleeting references on some subsequent shows. There is also another reference to this in “The Andy Scale”, a ranking system which arose as a comparison to Andy’s letter as the gold standard for listener letters. The Andy Letter is available by download from itunes here: [http://www.cartalk.com/content/0831-andy-letter](http://www.cartalk.com/content/0831-andy-letter) I found this by just using the search field on the page for “As Read on Cartalk”. You can do the same for “cattle trailer” to hear the original call. The same audio of the original reading of the Andy Letter is also included on a Cartalk CD which is available for purchase from NPR. That CD includes numerous other genuinely classic show segments as well.: [http://shop.npr.org/programs/car-talk-shameless-commerce/car-talk-25th-anniversary-2-cd-set](http://shop.npr.org/programs/car-talk-shameless-commerce/car-talk-25th-anniversary-2-cd-set) Here’s the story: The original caller wanted advice on a problem with electric brakes on his cattle trailer, a technology which Click and Clack gleefully admitted they knew nothing about. Of course that did not stop them from giving authoritative advice! As I recall, as someone who knows nothing about electric brakes, trailers, or cattle, the advice C&C gave sounded, at least, _plausible_. But the possibility that their answer was bogus was definitely wafting through their explanation. Inspired by this call, a listener named Andy wrote the legendary letter which you asked about. It was read on the air as a show opener sometime later. In it, Andy postulated that one person would extrapolate only slightly beyond what he knew for certain about a given topic. Andy then theorized that _two people,_ collaborating on a explanation such as what Click and Clack had done over the subject of electric brakes on a cattle trailer, would go much farther beyond any limits of their actual knowledge, based entirely on the fact that the other contributor had already accepted the fabricated theory, in essence feeling validated and thus emboldened. In short, they’d go farther out on a limb than if they were alone. From that we have Andy’s visionary question of whether it was possible for _two people to know less about a subject than one person_. I’ve always thought that Andy’s letter was pretty good, but the real value of the legend is based on Tom and Ray’s hilarious discussion of it. It’s well worth downloading and listening again. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![CapriRacer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/capriracer/32/22_2.png) [@CapriRacer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/CapriRacer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/letter-from-the-listener/76500/3 "2013-01-05T18:14:29Z")
Of all the things Click and Clack have done, it’s this saga that forever enshrines them in the annals of great shows. Their humor and willingness to poke fun at themselves is legendary. This is just one of the many things I will miss when they leave the airways. i just hope someone will come forward to continue the legacy. We need less puffed shirts and more self-deprecation. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/letter-from-the-listener/76500/4 "2013-01-05T23:53:23Z")
You can read the letter here. Unlike i-Tunes, reading is free. > **[As Read: The Andy Scale](https://www.cartalk.com/content/andy-scale-0)** > > Potentially the best letter ever to be sent in to Click and Clack.