# Kia products **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 5, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794 "2017-03-05T04:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![steve63](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@steve63](https://community.cartalk.com/u/steve63)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/41 "2017-03-06T16:53:51Z")
The recent Lexus grilles remind me of the 1961 Plymouth: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/2X/8/8d4fd050175d70ffcc4bec514b46f237d4378bfe.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![wentwest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wentwest/32/6073_2.png) [@wentwest](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wentwest)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/42 "2017-03-06T17:19:24Z")
You’re right! Perhaps in the top 5 ugliest cars ever made in the US. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/43 "2017-03-06T17:23:01Z")
Yikes! I hadn’t previously thought about it, but you are correct! And, in another return to retro styling themes, we have the new-ish Pathfinders that have “fins” reminiscent of the early full-size Dodge Darts: [https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.geHaEsfdjEcSziVwBFl0wAEsDH&pid=15.1](https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.geHaEsfdjEcSziVwBFl0wAEsDH&pid=15.1) ---
**Author:** ![Whitey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/whitey/32/24680_2.png) [@Whitey](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Whitey)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/44 "2017-03-06T17:42:40Z")
If you find a particular vehicle “girly,” you should ask yourself, “How old am I and whom am I trying to impress?” If the answer is, “I’m an adult who only needs to impress myself,” then buy the Kia. If the answer is, “I’m stuck in a teenage mindset, so I need to buy a car that impresses others,” then you shouldn’t get the Kia. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/45 "2017-03-06T17:51:51Z")
> [@steve63](#): > > The recent Lexus grilles remind me of the 1961 Plymouth: Y’know, I never realized… but you’re right! ---
**Author:** ![galant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/77aa72/32.png) [@galant](https://community.cartalk.com/u/galant)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/46 "2017-03-06T20:25:00Z")
@Propane_Car; Interesting observations. We had similar needs in 2015, I had already excluded the CRV due to previously owning a noisy one. The Mazda gets rave reviews but to me the rear seats were a big problem. I have long legs and the room behind me would had been tight and the rear seat does not recline a bit; too upright for long road trips with kids. Anyway, we ended getting a used Hyundai Tucson, mostly because it saved us a lot of money over the new RAV4 (A used RAV would cost more than the new ones!). We are happy so far. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/47 "2017-03-06T20:51:19Z")
Yea…I don’t like the look either. The new Camry has the same look. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/48 "2017-03-07T00:47:00Z")
> [@Nevada\_545](#): > > Do you think there is a need for more curves and angles on a Lexus? On this one, yes. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/2X/1/1d4e155b3dfc8a04750f2f60a9df77c3d7b08322.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/49 "2017-03-07T00:53:34Z")
Lexus gave the LS460 a face lift 5 years ago, to the look that nobody likes; ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/2X/b/b45aa2dd2c8d2e2a4f8a591cbe0455556581320c.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/50 "2017-03-07T00:59:09Z")
I wouldn’t call that an improvement. Nightmare, that I could agree with. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Docnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Docnick](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Docnick)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/51 "2017-03-07T01:07:56Z")
That’s the last Lexus design I liked. The current ones are dumb; Lexus calls it aggressive!!! ---
**Author:** ![sgtrock21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/sgtrock21/32/246_2.png) [@sgtrock21](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sgtrock21)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/52 "2017-03-07T02:22:47Z")
Classy. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/53 "2017-03-07T04:02:50Z")
I’d consider to buy that first one, 2012 model I think, were I in the market for an upscale vehicle sized larger than my Corolla. And not overly worried about a budget. I expect is it very nice to drive and reliable and a pleasure to own. True, it’s a little on the boring side aesthetics wise, looks sort of like a Camry, but ballooned out a little all over to make it bigger; but I could live w/that. The newer one, that’s not happening for me. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/54 "2017-03-07T21:21:38Z")
If enough people don’t like the gaping mouth, I’m sure Toyota will change it. Given the proliferation throughout the Lexus line and infiltrating the Toyota line, I’d guess that most buyers are at least willing to put up with it. ---
**Author:** ![Docnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Docnick](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Docnick)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/55 "2017-03-07T22:57:51Z")
Agree! We just came back from shopping and my wife saw one in the Costco parking lot. Her remarks were barely printable, but asked what kind of a person with no taste would design such a thing and what product manager would let it be built. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/56 "2017-03-07T23:20:01Z")
Hey, GM sold a lot of ugly Azteks. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/57 "2017-03-07T23:26:39Z")
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’ve seen many ugly cars that a lot of people liked. And I’m sure I’ve bought what I thought was a beautiful car that most people thought was ugly. Just the way it is and always will be. I don’t mind the look of the new Lexus. Maybe they’ll have redesigned the new Lexus when my wife needs a new one. ---
**Author:** ![galant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/77aa72/32.png) [@galant](https://community.cartalk.com/u/galant)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/58 "2017-03-08T00:21:05Z")
For most Lexus drivers I know, just the mere fact that it is a Lexus is enough. Two people I know would just lease a new RX every 3 years without test driving or cross shopping. ---
**Author:** ![insightful](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/insightful/32/2732_2.png) [@insightful](https://community.cartalk.com/u/insightful)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/59 "2017-03-08T00:47:17Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/2X/0/0ffc0ed740fd398f9032a1a8edea984cacd33b69.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794/60 "2017-03-08T00:52:03Z")
Actually, I’m not sure they sold that many of them AFAIK, its production was ended early, versus its Buick corporate cousin, which was less ugly [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/kia-products/100794.md?page=4)