# Justice is served **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Created:** [March 18, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709 "2021-03-18T00:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/21 "2021-03-18T23:31:56Z")
> [@cdaquila](#): > > Please, let’s get back onto the topic of cars, Naaaah, we want you to shut us down again. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/22 "2021-03-19T04:25:33Z")
There is a difference between justice and Karma. Cat theif car falling is not justice as that is defined by the legal system imhop ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/23 "2021-03-19T14:35:12Z")
I guess some of us will just have to agree to disagree Personally, I feel the thief got what he deserved. Cat thieves just make life more difficult for almost everybody else, as far as I’m concerned. Some of us seem to be concerned that the thief’s punishment was harsh . . . Well, he created the situation There’s absolutely nobody else to blame If you’re going to crawl under a car, use a jack and a jack stand . . . and NOT harbor fake The term petty theft was used . . . I disagree somewhat I’ll bet you guys lunch that thief stole several cats . . . probably hundreds . . . which were worth several thousand dollars It’s even conceivable that in some cases, the stolen cat was the straw that broke the camel’s back, meaning than on an older car that wasn’t worth much and not well insured, the owner decided that it was time to get rid of it and buy another. It’s one thing to buy another car because you want to. It’s quite something else to suddenly be in a position to more or less be forced to. ---
**Author:** ![circuitsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/circuitsmith/32/40376_2.png) [@circuitsmith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/circuitsmith)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/24 "2021-03-19T14:53:36Z")
Perhaps the buyers of scrap converters should be required to collect information (like VIN of the donor vehicle) from the sellers, much the same as pawn shops. ---
**Author:** ![Rod-Knox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Rod-Knox](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rod-Knox)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/25 "2021-03-19T18:09:29Z")
Local salvage buyers photo my freon license and DL number to buy condensers and evaporators due to the high price of aluminum and copper. And 100 lbs of AC parts is worth more than a wagon load of iron. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/26 "2021-03-19T18:12:09Z")
I’m in the kind of unusual situation of partially agreeing with both sides here. No, I don’t think a cat thief “deserves” to die for stealing a car part. I don’t celebrate the fact that he died, and I’d be much happier with an outcome where he was caught and dealt with appropriately via the justice system than I am with him getting himself killed. But I’m also not going to lose a whole lot of sleep over it; Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This wasn’t a miscarriage of justice, because his own actions caused his death before the justice system could do anything. It was an unfortunate (for him) accident that was a direct result of his criminal activity. I also sympathize with the notion that it’s possible (though not certain by any means) that the thief was hard-up, and was stealing in order to put food on the table. On the other hand, I equally sympathize with the idea that the vehicle owner might be hard-up, and having to pay for a cat replacement will make it hard for _that_ guy to put food on the table. I think the solution to those possibilities is neither to look kindly on stealing, nor to celebrate when a thief dies while stealing. The solution to that is to revamp our societal system such that the richest country on the planet doesn’t have people who are in the position where they aren’t sure they can put food on the table. And no, that’s not socialist advocacy, because I’m not a socialist. it’s advocacy for a recognition that a country that has, compared to the rest of the world, an obscene level of resources should be able to find a way for everyone to have a minimum standard of comfort and care. No one’s saying buy the thief a Rolls or put him up in a Bel Air mansion but if he really was stealing out of poverty, maybe if he had a small, decent place to live and enough food/necessities, he wouldn’t have stolen in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![circuitsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/circuitsmith/32/40376_2.png) [@circuitsmith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/circuitsmith)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/27 "2021-03-19T18:13:08Z")
Another possible deterrent would be serial numbers on converters, which salvage buyers would be required to record and report to authorities. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/28 "2021-03-19T18:22:02Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > This wasn’t a miscarriage of justice, because his own actions caused his death before the justice system could do anything This is a key point… The converter thief valued the _ **converter** _ more than they valued their own _ **life** _. That risk was solely the decision of the thief. I’m my experience (sitting for 3 months serving Grand Jury Duty hearing a dozen cases a day) the thief is far more likely not desperately poor as desperately lazy. It is easier to steal convertors than to work a real job. Work is hard. Stealing converters is not. I think the data backs that up as it does not mirror the unemployment rate. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/29 "2021-03-19T20:18:21Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > The converter thief valued the _ **converter** _ more than they valued their own _ **life** _ . Are you sure the thief adequately considered the possibility of his death? I’m not. Lots of people have short horizons, and I mean really short. Remember when you were a teen and didn’t consider alternatives if that fun thing you wanted to do turned out badly? Some people never outgrow that phase. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/30 "2021-03-19T20:31:03Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Are you sure the thief adequately considered the possibility of his death? I don’t actually care if they did or did not consider the consequences. Truth is likely that they didn’t consider ANY consequences, death or jail time. To their peril, as it turned out. That is pretty much one of the character traits that define a thief, isn’t it? A few more might be lack of impulse control, lack of respect for others’ property, lack of empathy and, entitlement. I’d suggest you don’t outgrow those traits so much as have them taught to you as you grow up. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/31 "2021-03-19T20:32:26Z")
I’m not going to lose sleep over him either. Just presenting an alternative. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/32 "2021-03-19T21:08:15Z")
I don’t even think it would be a horizon issue. A lot of people, including perfectly honest ones who would never steal anything, don’t recognize the danger of floor jacks used without jack stands. He probably didn’t consider the possibility of dying because it simply wouldn’t have registered as a danger. Regardless, like I said, I’m not going to spend a lot of time being sad that the bad thing he was doing got him killed because it’s something that wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t decided to be a criminal, but I don’t think he _deserved_ to die for it, and it’s not something I feel the need to cheer over either. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/33 "2021-03-19T22:01:15Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > I don’t think he _deserved_ to die for it, and it’s not something I feel the need to cheer over either. I used to work with a woman who was absolutely gleeful on any morning when the news media reported that Capital Punishment was being carried out that day. She had no connection whatsoever with any of these cases, and–in most instances–didn’t even know the particulars of the case. She was simply filled with glee by any report of somebody being “fried” or “gassed” that day. Her joy at the prospect of a person being executed was… creepy… to say the least. When I presented information such as this… [8 People Who Were Executed and Later Found Innocent - AvvoStories](https://stories.avvo.com/crime/murder/8-people-who-were-executed-and-later-found-innocent.html) … her response was… “Oh, I _never_ thought of that!”. Hmmm… 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/34 "2021-03-19T22:08:33Z")
> [@circuitsmith](#): > > Another possible deterrent would be serial numbers on converters, which salvage buyers would be required to record and report to authorities. That’s where EBay and other on-line sites comes into play. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/35 "2021-03-19T22:40:31Z")
Yeah we’ll get back to cars soon but don’t discount the psychology of some of these younger folks. They (meaning some) have little concern for their safety or death and have already concluded they will die young so what the hey. Whether or not this was the case with the guy (girl?) under the car, it certainly is a possibility. Now I knew a guy like that if we are relating to particular people. As a young lad, he had no concern for his own safety as he ventured out on thin ice to pull me out. Later on he killed someone driving 80 in a 30 and did his time. Later in life he died falling off a roof. Just had no filter for safety. I will add that about 7th grade his folks sent him to a psychologist to try and get his head re-wired but he just laughed it off. ---
**Author:** ![cdaquila](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cdaquila/32/18089_2.png) [@cdaquila](https://community.cartalk.com/u/cdaquila)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/36 "2021-03-19T23:07:50Z")
Anyone? Cars? Thanks, and happy weekend. ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/37 "2021-03-19T23:10:08Z")
Speaking of cars, Carolyn, I saw a 1958 Cadillac convertible today that would look even lovelier with you in it! ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/38 "2021-03-19T23:32:37Z")
It’s been almost 20 years now. A local 15 year old “borrowed” the keys to his mothers Mazda 6 and got 7 of his friends, four boys and three girls ranging in age from 14 -16 and took them for a ride at around 2 AM. Now had the police stopped him, he and his friends would have been in a lot of trouble. I don’t know about the friends, but when the judge got through with this kid, his folks would have really wore him out, if you know what I mean. He would have been angry and maybe a little bitter at the time to the cops and his parents. He was a good kid and he would have gotten over it. But he didn’t get caught. BTW, no drinking or drugs were involved here, just a joy ride. But the joy ride took them to thrill hill where he did a Dukes of Hazards jump at around 100 mph. Of course with that many kids in the vehicle, no one wore seat belts, all the kids bouncing around the interior as the vehicle went airborn. He was unable to control the landing because he wasn’t firmly behind the wheel. Was it justice that all eight died almost instantly when the car hit a very large old Oak tree? Did they deserve that? Kids do this all the time, most only get a slap on the wrist by a judge if they get caught. Often they get away with it. Sometimes it isn’t justice, it’s just the luck of the draw. Wrong place, wrong time. Sometimes it the law of physics that punishes instead of the laws of man. ---
**Author:** ![circuitsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/circuitsmith/32/40376_2.png) [@circuitsmith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/circuitsmith)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/39 "2021-03-20T00:24:31Z")
I find it remarkable that this thief died under a Prius for two reasons. First, it seems like most converter thefts are from SUVs and trucks with high ground clearance; opposite of a Prius. Second, the Prius has a reputation of being a wimpy little car, not a killer. ---
**Author:** ![Rod-Knox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Rod-Knox](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rod-Knox)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709/40 "2021-03-20T00:30:35Z")
Many years ago a friend’s teen aged son took the family car out for a drive at age 14 and over shot a turn and smacking a car parked at the curb which resulted in pushing a tire off the rim. The police got there in just minutes before mom who walked directly up to the boy and slapped him so hard he nearly fell down. After a few minutes of chewing the boy out she would slap him again and the police put him in the back seat of a patrol car and took him down town for his own safety. He spent the night at juvenile detention and the next morning the judge released him to his mothers custody once she assured the court that she would not physically abuse the boy. It seems that was a learning moment for that son and his two brothers. The terrible problem now is that a parent like that would be put in jail for abuse. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/justice-is-served/175709.md?page=3)