# Is the shop trying to rip me off? **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** civic, honda\ **Created:** [August 10, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494 "2020-08-10T17:41:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jameson.luttrell\_154832](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jameson.luttrell\_154832](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jameson.luttrell_154832)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/1 "2020-08-10T17:41:30Z")
Hi. Just did control arms , ball joints, suspension and a cv axle replacement on a 2001 Honda Civic. Just took it in for an alignment and they said the tie was way off which I knew would be. They also said the camber was off and I should have used new bolts to connect the suspension to the control arms. They seem a little greasy. All work was on the front end and I did everything going step by step with 1a autos YouTube channel. Do you think they’re trying to sell me a service I don’t need? ---
**Author:** ![jameson.luttrell\_154832](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jameson.luttrell\_154832](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jameson.luttrell_154832)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/2 "2020-08-10T17:42:15Z")
I meant toe not tie when talking about the alignment being off. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/3 "2020-08-10T17:53:21Z")
If the camber was off, depending in how far, a set of crash bolts or camber correction bolts may, indeed be required as there is no adjustment in these parts from the factory. ---
**Author:** ![jameson.luttrell\_154832](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@jameson.luttrell\_154832](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jameson.luttrell_154832)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/4 "2020-08-10T18:00:52Z")
Thanks. What could cause the camber to be off? ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/5 "2020-08-10T18:13:28Z")
Sagged springs, replacement parts that are a little bit out of spec, assembly slop. Tolerances can stack up. You can use the slop in the bolt holes to make limited adjustment and by the same token, how it is all loaded when you tighten the bolts can throw you out of tolerance. ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/6 "2020-08-10T18:41:29Z")
Control arms, ball joints, I get that And suspension? What does that mean? New struts? New coil springs? Car is 19yrs old. Wheel bearings are good? ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/7 "2020-08-10T21:17:01Z")
Camber could also be off because the car may have been involved in a collision, curb strike, or whatever. Camber will throw the toe off so that needs to be corrected first. If the camber is off by quite a bit I would suspect that something (strut towers, subframe, etc) is bent to one degree or the other. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/is-the-shop-trying-to-rip-me-off/168494/8 "2020-08-11T03:21:08Z")
Replace w new bolts seems worth a try. Or just correct toe and drive watcjin for tire wear problems.