# How soon will it be before they "down-size" a Gallon of Gasoline? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 26, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869 "2022-06-26T01:57:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2025, 2:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/328 "2025-12-09T14:05:37Z")
That still left questions for me. I checked out a source I used at work to determine the binding energies for tin. The source is the Center for X-Ray Optics ([cxro.lbl.gov](http://cxro.lbl.gov)), if you are interested. Click on x-ray database and look up the binding energies for tin electrons. It’s a simple conversion to the resonance wavelength from energy. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/329 "2025-12-09T15:32:42Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > It’s a simple conversion to the resonance wavelength from energy. Not what I expected to read on CarTalk first thing this morning… ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/330 "2025-12-09T17:38:08Z")
The usable emission produced is 13.5nm. Most of this is now in public domain so no issue revealing details: > 3nm chip lithography primarily relies on Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) lithography, using 13.5nm light from laser-pulsed tin plasma, with Dutch firm ASML as the sole supplier of the complex machines. Foundries like TSMC (using EUV heavily, some DUV/LELE for patterning) and Samsung (GAAFETs, MBCFETs) use these cutting-edge tools, alongside advanced techniques like Stochastic Self-Aligned Double Patterning (SADP) for features beyond EUV’s direct resolution, to create these tiny circuits. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/331 "2025-12-10T14:52:32Z")
Remember inverse centimeters on spectrograms from chemistry class? That’s a proxy for energy. Multiply by Planck’s constant and the speed of light and its recast in terms of energy. The advantage is that there is a sharp change in transmission when the binding energy of electrons is exceeded. ---
**Author:** ![LoudThunder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/loudthunder/32/27769_2.png) [@LoudThunder](https://community.cartalk.com/u/LoudThunder)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/332 "2025-12-10T17:23:05Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > inverse centimeters on spectrograms When I Googled “inverse centimeters on spectrograms” I wasn’t smart enough to understand the answer… 🙄 Back when I took “chemistry” so many, many years ago, it was called “Alchemy” and then we only had four elements… Earth, Water, Air, and Fire. 🤣 ![four](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/d/0/d06686cc60ce6d72a8ca3e6653dfa5c04ead0b13.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/333 "2025-12-11T00:18:23Z")
That image is so AI it’s creepy. But understand it’s point. ---
**Author:** ![LoudThunder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/loudthunder/32/27769_2.png) [@LoudThunder](https://community.cartalk.com/u/LoudThunder)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/334 "2025-12-11T03:24:00Z")
> [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > That image is so AI it’s creepy. What, you did not think it was my class photo? 😊 ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 2:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869/335 "2025-12-11T14:24:24Z")
> [@LoudThunder](#): > > > [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](#): > > > > That image is so AI it’s creepy. > > What, you did not think it was my class photo? Of course not, That time period is to new… 🤣 😉 Kidding sir… [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-soon-will-it-be-before-they-down-size-a-gallon-of-gasoline/184869.md?page=16)