# How hard is it to disable or adjust a seat belt load limiter to improve safety? **URL:** \ **Category:** Safety\ **Created:** [October 7, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839 "2021-10-07T18:09:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/102 "2022-07-03T00:31:43Z")
> [@PvtPublic](#): > > What is a 120 lb. BMI person I mean healthy normal healthy BMI who weighs 120. When they get fat they are 200 with an unhealthy high BMI. I don’t know much about BMI as I don’t go to doctors and I’ve never been fat. The use the term BMI in the studies. I don’t even know what the number for normal BMI is and I don’t really even care to find out right now. You still didn’t answer the roof jumping question. You just pick out what you want to argue with. I could even be saying how great load limiters are and how they improve safety so much but you’ll still argue with it because it’s me. ---
**Author:** ![PvtPublic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/pvtpublic/32/13089_2.png) [@PvtPublic](https://community.cartalk.com/u/PvtPublic)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/103 "2022-07-03T00:37:58Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > I could even be saying how great load limiters are and how they improve safety so much but you’ll still argue with it because it’s me. Not just because it’s you, but because you seem to know just little enough about everything that you are dangerous with generally false facts and mis-information. Just like the above you spout off about BMI’s yet admit to > [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > I don’t know much about BMI as I don’t go to doctors and I’ve never been fat. The use the term BMI in the studies. I don’t even know what the number for normal BMI is and I don’t really even care to find out right now. **BMI Categories:** Underweight = \<18.5 Normal weight = 18.5–24.9 Overweight = 25–29.9 Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater At least now you have the BMI info. Even though you don’t care or even want to know, it might interfere with your “logic” ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/104 "2022-07-03T00:41:43Z")
I think it’s dishonest and rude to chop of sentences in quotes. The media has been doing this more and more and they are losing credibility because of it. ---
**Author:** ![PvtPublic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/pvtpublic/32/13089_2.png) [@PvtPublic](https://community.cartalk.com/u/PvtPublic)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/105 "2022-07-03T00:46:55Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > I think it’s dishonest and rude to chop of sentences in quotes. The media has been doing this more and more and they are losing credibility because of it. I think it’s rude and dishonest and speaks to your credibility to tout “facts” in areas that you admit to knowing or caring little about. And i quoted the whole sentence. I’m done listening to you blather, good night sir. ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/106 "2022-07-03T01:07:06Z")
> [@PvtPublic](#): > > Not just because it’s you, but because you seem to know just little enough about everything that you are dangerous with generally false facts and mis-information. It’s doubtful that you nor anyone else even knew what a load limiter was before thiis thread. But you’re qualified to prove me wrong about everything. On discussion boards like this a bunch of time is spent talking about elementary stuff like why if two cars hit each other at 30 MPH traveling toward each other that it’s not the same as if one crashed at 60 MPH. So no the people on an automotive forum like this are not more qualified than I am regarding an engineering or science topic. They may have more experience with automotive just from memory, but most of the people on an automotive forum wouldn’t know where to start if they had to design something from scratch. Especially when they resort to insults I know they have no clue. ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/108 "2022-07-30T19:50:44Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/b/c/bcad8141881c080f4b92bb4f9d18f27eee75c5fe.jpeg) You can see in the above graph that in 1998 there was an upward turn for male fatalities in vehicle crashes, but the female fatalities continued to decline. This was the exact year that seat belt load limiters and weaker airbags started to be fitted to vehicles in response to the IIHS moderate overlap crash test. It just has to be enough to pass the ~38 MPH crash now. A full grown adult male can no longer expect to survive a 50 MPH crash in to a barrier, but a smaller female can! ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/109 "2022-07-30T19:57:04Z")
The increase in horsepower throughout the 1990’s is probably a bigger factor. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/110 "2022-07-30T20:04:33Z")
The simple fact that male’s drive about 60 % more miles a year than female’s does not enter the Snowman’s line of thought. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/111 "2022-07-31T00:03:39Z")
If one looks at enough statistics enough ways, they’ll find something to support their claims, no matter how wrong. In this case looking at deaths, as opposed to deaths/mile, is the first problem. Next is picking out a particular change in slope, and ignoring all others, many of which were greater. If the claim had merit, why the huge drop a few years later, as more and more cars had load limiters installed? ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/112 "2022-07-31T13:27:07Z")
> [@texases](#): > > why the huge drop a few years later, There was no huge drop. Increased deaths for men over women: 1992: 26,772:12,444 2.15x 1992: Passenger vehicle drivers only: 2.53x 1997: 27,827:14,168 1.96x 1997: Passenger vehicle drivers only: 2.25x 2004: 29,443:13,387 2.20x 2006: 29,849:12,842 2.32x 2006: Passenger vehicle drivers only: 2.38x 2010: 22,988:10,006 2.30x 2011: 22,937:9,534 2.41x 2012: 23,961:9,809 2.44x 2012: Passenger vehicle drivers only: 2.40x 2013: 23,243 9,638 2.41x 2019: 25,819:10,495 2.46x 2019: Passenger vehicle drivers only: 2.43x edit: I added the passenger vehicle drivers only part. The increase in male fatalities over female is less although still increasing. It looks like a big part of the increase in over all male fatalities is due to pedestrian deaths. A lot of this is probably due to the growing number of taller vehicles on the road. I didn’t realize pedestians were included in the graph. Source: [Males and females](https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/males-and-females) ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/113 "2022-07-31T13:43:20Z")
Another favorite tactic-when called out on their claim (here, based on male fatalities), change the game (to male/female ratio). ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 1:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/114 "2022-07-31T13:48:53Z")
> [@texases](#): > > change the game (to male/female ratio). That was the point from the beginning. I think you knew that too since I was quite clear about males and females, so it’s an intentional effort from you to confuse other readers. What’s your motive for trying to counter everything I write about? Don’t want the illusion of safety shattered? There was a time when seat belts were not included as standard in a vehicle because the company thought it would make their vehicle seem less safe. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/115 "2022-07-31T13:50:21Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > You can see in the above graph that in 1998 there was an upward turn for male fatalities in vehicle crashes, You said it, not me. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/116 "2022-07-31T13:54:09Z")
@TheWonderful90s I am going to say this one more time . Find a Forum that will put up with your nonsense . ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/117 "2022-07-31T13:57:40Z")
I wish the administrators of this forum would not allow such lying in the form of misquoting and false accusations to go on. When someone’s only way to refute what someone wrote is to change what they wrote then they’re obviously in the wrong. Unfortunately a lot of discussion groups care about activitiy and participation, for page views for advertising revenue, and whether or not the content is good isn’t so important. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/118 "2022-07-31T14:00:48Z")
I hope the forum’s admins decide to delete this entire thread, which was begun on a flawed premise that can only serve to hurt the naïve people who might choose to believe your nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/119 "2022-07-31T14:45:35Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > When someone’s only way to refute what someone wrote is to change what they wrote then they’re obviously in the wrong. Are you referring to me? I quoted you directly, no changes. My problem with this whole thread started with you first post, where you start talking about modifying critical safety equipment in a car. Encouraging anyone to do that is a terrible idea. ---
**Author:** ![PvtPublic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/pvtpublic/32/13089_2.png) [@PvtPublic](https://community.cartalk.com/u/PvtPublic)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/120 "2022-07-31T15:14:41Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > Increased deaths for men over women: > 1997: 27,827:14,168 1.96x > 2004: 29,443:13,387 2.20x > 2006: 29,849:12,842 2.32x > 2010: 22,988:10,006 2.30x > 2011: 22,937:9,534 2.41x > 2012: 23,961:9,809 2.44x > 2013: 23,243 9,638 2.41x > 2019: 25,819:10,495 2.46x The number of men to women stay relatively the same, for pedestrians also even going back to 1975 which you didn’t include, so whats your point ❓ Do we need some kind of active or passive restraint maybe personal airbags for pedestrians ❓ ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/121 "2022-07-31T16:03:31Z")
You people must be representing insurance. This is the industry that is responsible for puting the large release weak 4kN type load limiters and weaker airbags in cars. An injured person can be more expensive than a dead person. > [@texases](#): > > I like to quote people on the forum and fix what they wrote in the quote. It’s so much fun. Out of context quoting is so much fun it’s almost addictive! Completely changing what they wrote would be awesome, but I try to keep a little bit of a reputation for myself. There fixed it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839/122 "2022-07-31T16:18:51Z")
> [@VOLVO-V70](#): > > Find a Forum that will put up with your nonsense . If everyone would ignore him and not respond to his nonsense do you think he might go away? [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839.md?page=5) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/how-hard-is-it-to-disable-or-adjust-a-seat-belt-load-limiter-to-improve-safety/179839.md?page=7)