How fast do you drive?

I’m sure that our relatively new friend, Rick, is a nice person.
More than likely, he is also an intelligent person.
And, he may even be a superior driver.

However, I just have to say that–like some other forum veterans–I am getting mighty tired of his constant pontificating in this forum on the topic of safe driving…or at least on his theories regarding safe driving.

There is always room for differences of opinion in this forum, but I have to wonder if he is intentionally trolling in the hope of stirring-up discord among forum members.

Comparing speeding a couple of miles over the speed limit to armed robbery is apples and oranges. Last I checked speeding was a misdemeanor.

I never said killing someone is the same as applying more than recommended fertilizer on your front lawn or speeding.

We’ve made a complete mockery of the system and traffic offenses. Everyone and their brother wants, expects, and demands a warning. If they get cited they just can’t believe it. Then they want, expect, or demand a reduction. Most of the time, they get it…regardless of how lengthy their record might be. We used to give them 5, then 10, now 15 or even 20 MPH over the limit before citations start getting issued. Frankly, with court the way it is, what’s the point? Why should a police officer risk getting killed, maimed, etc. to write a ticket that no one takes seriously?

If I choose to speed, it is an informed choice. I know it. If I set my cruise control on 5 or 10 over on the interstate, I am well aware what the speed is, and I am well aware how fast I choose to go. I am always constantly aware of how fast I am going. If I get stopped I should get a ticket.

" Everyone and their brother wants, expects, and demands a warning."

I don’t think that’s the case at, the last time I got a speeding ticket (2003), I was traveling 77 MPH in a 65 MPH on the way to Bristol for a NASCAR race and about 20 miles outside of Bristol on 81, I along with about 5-7 other vehicles were unfortunate enough to run through a speed trap that the state troopers had set up to catch people coming into town for the race weekend. In course of 1 mile, I counted no fewer than 13 cars that had been pulled over, the group of 5-7 cars that I was in were pulled over en masse. The trooper came up to the my window, he asked for my license and registration, took a quick look at the stuff packed in the back of the Bronco, and asked if were we in town for the race. I said that we were, he went back to his car, the approached my window again, said “I clocked you going 77, this a 65 zone, you can send in the fine by mail or you can show in court on the date listed on the ticket.” and then sauntered off to the next car in line. He didn’t even ask me if I knew why I was being pulled over or give me an opportunity to explain myself (not that I had an excuse or anything). They were there to write tickets and nothing else. And of course had this been any other day, they wouldn’t have had 8 troopers set up in a 1 mile stretch of highway. But I didn’t pitch a hissy fit over it or anything, I was caught speeding, and it was one of those rare instances where keeping up with the flow of traffic backfired. Anyway I chose to go to court, and the judge basically called up everyone who got caught speeding on that stretch of road on that day and made the offer that if you wanted to pay to the fine and take a driving school, then the ticket would be dropped and that would be then end of that. It really seemed like they didn’t care about actually convicting anyone so long as they got their money.

“We used to give them 5, then 10, now 15 or even 20 MPH over the limit before citations start getting issued.”

You want to know why that is? It’s because even the cops realize that exceeding the posted speed limit when the conditions are correct, contrary to what you might think, isn’t an especially dangerous thing to do. Look at it this way, speed limits have largely stayed the same in this country since the 1950’s. And even back then those limits were put in place so that even the most unskilled driver, driving the most dilapidated hooptie could drive safely on the highways without undue risk. Today’s cars handle and brake an order of magnitude better than they cars of 60 years ago, yet the speed limits have stayed the same for the most part. Some of us recognize that.

" Frankly, with court the way it is, what’s the point?"

The point is that it’s more beneficial to everyone to go after the people who tailgate, change lanes erratically, or chose to sit in the left lane doing 60 MPH when the prevailing traffic is doing 80 MPH. That’s were the problems area. If 90% of people drive over the speed limit, then shouldn’t there be 90% more accidents on the highways? Some people might think that, but the reality is that accident rates have diminished in the last 20 years. And here’s the data if you want to check for yourself
https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf

"If I choose to speed, it is an informed choice. I know it. If I set my cruise control on 5 or 10 over on the interstate, I am well aware what the speed is, and I am well aware how fast I choose to go. I am always constantly aware of how fast I am going."

And I suppose you think that everyone else on the road isn’t doing that either…

I drive 61 miles one way to get to work, for a total of 122 miles. I work second shift, and all the miles are on interstate in the countrly.

On the way TO work (1-2pm) I “go with the flow” in that I try to achieve a happy medium where I’m not passing anyone, and no one is passing me. That usually puts me about 5mph over the limit of 65.

On the way home, (12 mid to 1am) I’ve got the entire road to myself. I put the cruise at precisely the speed limit, as the Wisconsin troopers have proven to me that they love to pounce on lone wolves who are speeding. I’ve heard reports from co-workers of getting pulled over for as little as 2mph over. Since this is near bar closing time, of course they’re really getting stopped so the trooper can see what shape they’re in. They’re usually sent on their way with a “warning” ticket when the trooper sees they’re stone sober.

To WheresRick, Besides being wrong in attitude, and doomed to endless frustration by trying to control the actions of strangers on the road, you are factually wrong. Speeding is an offense not a misdemeanor. By the way, the tractor and double tandem trailer that I drove had a legal gross weight of 143,000 lb. And, not all the trucks on the road stick to the legal limit. The only thing you are right about is- trucks can’t stop as fast as cars.

@DrRocket

Some years back, I was driving home on the freeway, well past midnight. I had not been drinking at all. Anyways, a highway patrol car pulled alongside me and shone the light at me, so that he could get a close look. After a good long while, he turned it off and pulled away from me.

I believe it was on a weekend, and it was the time of night that the drunk partygoers were driving themselves home. Plus, I might still have been in the target age bracket. Had I been pulled over, my BAC would have been zero. But I have no doubt the guy would have made me touch my nose, count backwards, stand on one foot, etc.

Come to think of it, what may have caught his attention in the first place was that I was driving exactly the speed limit of 65, whereas everybody else was doing 70 or 75.

Maybe it’s time for this thread to go buh-bye?

I agree.
How do we make that happen? Web people?

WheresRick
January 20 edited January 20

Great posting, Rick!

All this whining about the nasty safety hazards, the horribly dangerous people driving the posted speed limit, it’s called “rationalization.” They drive fast because they want to drive fast, and try to rationalize it as being necessary to avoid causing horrible wrecks.

I have driven nearly 300,000 miles since I retired in 1997, all over the US north and east of Texas, including Maine. and Florida. Once, I left my home in Mexico, and returned 59 days later, having driven 11,000 miles. I drive the speed limit +0. Period.

Never close calls from driving the speed limit, not a one, not even on the Tri-State. There are too many vehicles out there driving more slowly so the drivers simply don’t plow into those driving the speed limit, as y’all pretend.

One wreck when the second car behind me failed to stop when traffic did, in Austin on I-35 low, driving the speed limit or less, and at the prevailing speed. He wiped out 5 cars, including his own. As soon as the crashing stopped, I noted he was talking on his cell phone, and I suspect that is what caused the wreck.

I am sitting here, munching on some fried eggs, trying to visualize drivers so bad they go 10 or 20 over the posted speed limit, while knowing very well there are people driving more slowly.

And, seem to be such poor drivers they expect to plow into those speed limit drivers?

Yet, hold themselves up to be superior drivers? Hee, hee.

Yup, we’re all terrible people. You and Rick are right, the rest of the world is wrong.
Now, can we put this thread to bed???

@cdaquila

Can we end this thread . . . before fists start flying?

Finger pointing has already begun . . .

@oldtimer11
I think you make a valid point. Speeders , if not going so fast I never see them coming, are not a big problem if they give you plenty of room. Those who merge from on ramps, speed up quickly and get well ahead before merging in front, even exceeding the limit by 10 or 15 mph, don’t bother most. I have a problem with people getting into my space, whether they do it fast or slow. Loosing the space I work hard to maintain as a good cushion makes me feel uneasy and out of control.

As someone who drives 70-75 mph on the highway I can honestly say I do it because it is FAR FAR FAR safer to drive at that speed (which more then 70% of the rest of the drivers are doing) then to drive the posted speed limit of 65. I want my drive to be the safest for me and everyone else. And that is DRIVING THE PREVAILING SPEED. Driving down I-93 with 30,000+ commuters every day…is just DANGEROUS to NOT drive the prevailing speed. If everyone was driving the speed limit - I’d be driving the speed limit. But they aren’t…that’s reality…live with it.

I usually drive 7-10 mph over the speed limit on interstates and 3-5 mph over on local highways but definitely not on residential streets. I have a bad leadfoot so sometimes it’s hard for me to follow the posted speed limit.

In Florida, our major highways are mostly 70 mph, I usually max it out at 75 as you have to be doing 6 over to get a ticket, anything less and a warning, Lawmakers are now wanting to raise these speed limits from 70 to 75 mph. When I do 75 in the slow lane I get passed up by cars doing 80 - 85.

When going through a school zone, I keep it a few under the limit to be safe. They got one guy here on the news that was doing 52 in a 20 mph school zone…over a 500.00 fine and 6 points.

Ahh yes. you don’t agree with me so lets ban me.

You are obviously unable to make a distinction between discussion & disagreement and resorting to personal attacks. It’s degraded into some form of trolling so I am done…

OK, I started the thread, I’ll end it. Hey tech support, can you end this thread please? Thanks for the responses folks! Rocketman