# Hockey pucks instead of body frame bushings **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** sportage, kia\ **Created:** [March 22, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767 "2021-03-22T03:35:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Saturnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/saturnia/32/13355_2.png) [@Saturnia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Saturnia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/1 "2021-03-22T03:35:00Z")
Hello there, I have a 2000 Kia Sportage EX that has a problem with the front doors where it gets a bit difficult to close. The rear doors are fine. I was told that this is because of the body frame bushings. I bought a bunch of OEM bushings but I was told that the OEM will just wear out again and I will be replacing those pretty quick. Instead I could use hockey pucks or a better than OEM material. Now, because this is an old vehicle and not a popular model I can’t find aftermarket bushings for these. I can’t fab or modify them myself either… Are hockey pucks better? Will a shop do custom stuff like this for me? Considering the fact that the frame and the body will be separated, will a regular shop help me install bushings that would help me raise the height of a vehicle a bit more so I can install bigger offroad tires? Nothing crazy, just raise it a bit. If this is a bad idea please tell me why it is too. I am here to learn. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:44am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/2 "2021-03-22T03:44:42Z")
I’d use factory bushings, those lasted 21 years. ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/3 "2021-03-22T03:53:09Z")
I suppose it could work, and thought I was the front runner in hillbilly repairs. I would assume a shop would not be fabricating parts out of hockey pucks, but who knows. Too many questions, head hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:23am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/4 "2021-03-22T04:23:09Z")
Replacing frame/sub-frame mounts with solid mounts is a standard procedure on race cars, Camero and Nova are two examples. I would not want sold body mounts on a street car, the harshness would not be welcomed. This is a repair that you would need to perform yourself, most people would not pay a large some of money to repair or modify an old vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Saturnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/saturnia/32/13355_2.png) [@Saturnia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Saturnia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:53am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/5 "2021-03-22T04:53:21Z")
Let’s say I will just go with the OEM bushings. I have all of them ready to be installed. How much do you think a shop will charge me for a job like this? This is my first time dealing with a body on frame vehicle. How doable is replacing the body frame bushings as a DIY job? ---
**Author:** ![Saturnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/saturnia/32/13355_2.png) [@Saturnia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Saturnia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:53am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/6 "2021-03-22T04:53:52Z")
I might just use them as suggested. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Saturnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/saturnia/32/13355_2.png) [@Saturnia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Saturnia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:54am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/7 "2021-03-22T04:54:16Z")
I am sorry… =/ ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/8 "2021-03-22T04:55:20Z")
Sorry for what? Don’t know =/ ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/9 "2021-03-22T05:28:56Z")
I had about four replaced on my Buick. They were about $35 each. I had an old guy do it that had a shop I used when I was a teen. I think he charged somewhere north of $200 and he was sorry it cost so much-ha ha. He had to work like crazy because the nuts kept turning on him trying to take the bolts out. He could have charged twice that much and I wouldn’t have blinked. So hard to say but just do it right. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:35am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/10 "2021-03-22T05:35:03Z")
Unless this 21 year old vehicle lived in an area without salted roads or sea air, replacing body mounts can get ugly very quickly. Rust. Rusty bolts, rusty frame. Rust will make a 20 minute job a 2 hour job for a pro and impossible for an DIYer. Stop by a shop and ask them to quote the job. Then they can see the car and what kind of job it is. ---
**Author:** ![Saturnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/saturnia/32/13355_2.png) [@Saturnia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Saturnia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/11 "2021-03-22T05:43:23Z")
Understood. No rust fortunately. I will call for quotes. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Saturnia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/saturnia/32/13355_2.png) [@Saturnia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Saturnia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 5:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/12 "2021-03-22T05:43:54Z")
Not a bad for $200! =P ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/13 "2021-03-22T11:10:53Z")
> [@Saturnia](#): > > I will call for quotes. Thanks. You’ll get a lot more accurate quote if you go to the shop. This is a rare repair. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/14 "2021-03-22T12:31:30Z")
The replacement bushings will probably not die before the rest of the car does. If they last as long as the originals, you’ll be driving a 42 year old vehicle, and that would be pretty impressive. Hockey pucks might work, but I confess I’m not really up on how they’re constructed or what they’re constructed of. I would think that what little engineering probably goes into them involves making them resistant to momentary side impacts from flat pieces of wood, and they might well lose integrity (at least, sufficient integrity to stand up to a bouncing 3,000+ pound vehicle) if you drill a hole in them to accommodate the bolts. ---
**Author:** ![pyrolord314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6a8cbe/32.png) [@pyrolord314](https://community.cartalk.com/u/pyrolord314)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/15 "2021-03-22T12:59:55Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > Hockey pucks might work, but I confess I’m not really up on how they’re constructed or what they’re constructed of. from Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > Ice hockey requires a hard disk of vulcanized rubber. A standard ice hockey puck is black, 1 inch (25 mm) thick, 3 inches (76 mm) in diameter, and weighs between 5.5 and 6 ounces (156 and 170 g). > > The black rubber of the puck is made up of a mix of natural rubber, antioxidants, bonding materials and other chemicals to achieve a balance of [hardness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardness) and [resilience](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength).[[12]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck#cite_note-QNHL.com_video-12) This mixture is then turned in a machine with metal rollers, where workers add extra natural rubber, and ensure that the mixing is even. Samples are then put into a machine that analyses if the rubber will harden at the right temperature. An automated apparatus, called a [pultrusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pultrusion) machine,[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck#cite_note-eNotes-7) extrudes the rubber into long circular logs that are 3 inches (7.6 cm) in diameter and then cut into 1 inch (2.5 cm) thick pieces while still soft. These pre-forms are then manually put into moulds that are the exact size of a finished puck.[[12]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck#cite_note-QNHL.com_video-12) There are up to 200 mould cavities per moulding palette, capable of producing up to 5,000 pucks per week.[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck#cite_note-eNotes-7) The moulds are then compressed. This compression may be done cold[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck#cite_note-eNotes-7) or with the moulds heated to 300 °F (149 °C) for 18 minutes,[[12]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck#cite_note-QNHL.com_video-12) depending on the proprietary methods of the manufacturer. They come out hard and then are allowed to sit for 24 hours. Each puck is manually cleaned with a trimmer machine to remove excess rubber. The moulding process adds a diamond cross-hatch texture around the edge of the puck for more friction between the stick and puck for better control and puck handling. > [@shadowfax](#): > > I would think that what little engineering probably goes into them involves making them resistant to momentary side impacts from flat pieces of wood, and they might well lose integrity (at least, sufficient integrity to stand up to a bouncing 3,000+ pound vehicle) if you drill a hole in them to accommodate the bolts. No sourcing for the alternate uses, but Wikipedia has quite a few again: > [@](#): > > Ice hockey pucks of regulation 3-inch (7.6 cm) diameter and 1-inch (2.5 cm) thickness may be used as mechanical vibration dampening isolators in places such as feet for light industrial air compressors, and air conditioning units because they are of regulation materials and therefore consistent manufacture, size and shape, and are constructed of a repeatable and consistent vulcanized rubber material. > > Since the material is rubber, it may be drilled out or milled easily to a fixed depth as rubber feet or used as rubber spacer or gasket material. > > A very common use of a slotted hockey puck is as an adaptor between the metal foot of a [trolley jack](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trolley_jack&action=edit&redlink=1) and the sill (rocker panel) of an automobile. The sill has a spot-welded lip which fits into the slot of the puck and would otherwise be bent or marked by the metal foot. > > Hockey pucks have been used to level furniture, beverage refrigeration systems, wedding mementos, and as paper weights or door stops. The hockey puck has many uses other than its original, intended purpose by virtue of its consistent physical properties. > **[Hockey puck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck)** > > A hockey puck is either an open or closed disk used in a variety of sports and games. There are designs made for use on an ice surface, such as in ice hockey, and others for the different variants of floor hockey which includes the wheeled skate variant of inline hockey (a.k.a. roller hockey). They are all designed to serve the same function a ball does in ball games. > A closed disk hockey puck having the shape of a short cylinder made of vulcanized rubber is used in the sport of ice hockey. Th... ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/16 "2021-03-22T13:36:38Z")
See I didn’t even know they were actual rubber. Guess I’m not much of a sports guy, unless you count racing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/17 "2021-03-22T13:52:18Z")
We also know they aren’t very smart: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/6/e/6e9849c69f22376bdd72ecf729f17e79a0a8d758.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/18 "2021-03-22T14:18:03Z")
More than you want to know: [How Its Made - 319 Hockey Pucks - Bing video](https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+it%27s+made+hockey+puck&qpvt=how+it%27s+made+hockey+puck&view=detail&mid=126977444982950A7145126977444982950A7145&&FORM=VRDGAR) ---
**Author:** ![pyrolord314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6a8cbe/32.png) [@pyrolord314](https://community.cartalk.com/u/pyrolord314)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/19 "2021-03-22T15:49:17Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > See I didn’t even know they were actual rubber. Guess I’m not much of a sports guy, unless you count racing. 😉 That reminds me of something. Years ago, (I was probably in the 8-10 year old range), my grandfather took me to a Hershey Bears game in the old Hershey Arena (aka the Barn), we were about 3 or 4 rows behind the penalty boxes (my grandmother got them from her work), and my grandfather was telling me “always make sure you keep your eyes on the ice, pucks can fly off the ice at any time” and as he’s saying that, one flies up from the ice and skips off of his wrist! The guy who caught it gave it back to me, and I still have it on my desk. I can definitely confirm that it’s a solid hunk of rubber 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Docnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Docnick](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Docnick)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767/20 "2021-03-22T16:37:32Z")
Red Green would certainly have used hockey pucks! [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hockey-pucks-instead-of-body-frame-bushings/175767.md?page=2)