# Hard starting? **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** loyale, subaru, timing-belts\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278 "2010-03-18T20:02:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![d\_a\_v\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@d\_a\_v\_e](https://community.cartalk.com/u/d_a_v_e)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/1 "2010-03-18T20:02:58Z")
Car runs but only with “foot” in it.Black(?) smoke(smells gassy)-will not idle. Disconnected MAS with same symptoms.Slipped timing belt??? ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/2 "2010-03-18T21:40:43Z")
Black gassy smoke is from really rich runnning. Really rich running means that there’s too much gas going in for the engine’s “needs”. Think bad injector(s), bad manifold absolute pressure sensor, bad fuel pressure regulator (too much pressure), perhaps a bad throttle position sensor (although the symptoms would be unusual for that), and stuff like that. Check the mass airflow sensor and the oxygen sensor too, but I doubt if one of those alone would cause that amount of richness. I doubt that the timing belt is slipped. The symptoms point to the fuel metering. By the way, what year is it and what’s the mileage? ---
**Author:** ![joe71c10](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/joe71c10/32/867_2.png) [@joe71c10](https://community.cartalk.com/u/joe71c10)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/3 "2010-03-18T22:08:13Z")
The check engine light should be on. Have the codes pulled at your local auto parts store and list them here. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/4 "2010-03-18T23:05:59Z")
If it has an OBDII system… > **[Talk:Subaru Loyale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Subaru_Loyale)** > > Would anyone be opposed to a rewrite of this article? The trouble I see is that there were three generations of the GL/DL/Leone/Loyale. You had Generation 1, Generation 2 (80-84) and Generation 3 / EA82 (85-94). It would certainly make this article less confusing if it was split up into three main sections, and additional sections for common stuff like the naming schemes. Actually, had I realized the years they made these I would have first asked if it was carburated. ---
**Author:** ![d\_a\_v\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@d\_a\_v\_e](https://community.cartalk.com/u/d_a_v_e)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/5 "2010-03-19T02:11:30Z")
1992 with 107xxx miles ---
**Author:** ![d\_a\_v\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@d\_a\_v\_e](https://community.cartalk.com/u/d_a_v_e)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/6 "2010-03-19T02:14:03Z")
Hadn’t checked “check engine light”. live 4 miles from town and probably never make it in. ---
**Author:** ![d\_a\_v\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@d\_a\_v\_e](https://community.cartalk.com/u/d_a_v_e)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/7 "2010-03-19T02:15:03Z")
fuel injected ---
**Author:** ![ignoramus9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@ignoramus9](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ignoramus9)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/8 "2010-03-19T18:29:24Z")
sticky injectors usually stick closed, which is why injected engines are more likely to starve for fuel than have too much, as is your case. It could to be in the fuel supply control system. Have you checked for loose wires or shorts in the system? Is this a ca. car or a federal smog car? I dont know this particular car, but can you reach the injector leads? You might try to disconnect one at a time to see if if is just one cylinder or all of them that are failing. If an exhaust valve is warped, or has carbon on the seat and you have poor ignition, that could cause this condition as well. When were the spark plugs last changed? Did this condition come on suddenly or has it developed over time? ---
**Author:** ![d\_a\_v\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@d\_a\_v\_e](https://community.cartalk.com/u/d_a_v_e)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/hard-starting/46278/9 "2010-04-01T02:18:42Z")
Found the air filter blocked. Thanks for the suggestions d a v e