George Bush’s inclusion in the video was not intentional. That was the fastest and best video of Durney’s scene available.
“even beware the postmaster for petes sake-Kevin”
Hee hee. When I was a kid our neighbor worked at the post office. He new about everything about anyone in town. What they made, what they owed, etc. At least once he was reprimanded for reading the mail. When I was selling, if you wanted to know anything about someone in the area, you’d just stop at the post office and someone was willing to talk. Kinda like the old time mini version of the NSA.
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now this is probably as accurate a description as I have heard of our current political situation…thanks rod knox
But more and more my elected officials lead me to believe that they are DUMBER THAN ME, … … And certainly my elected officials put a very low priority on my desires and needs and safety while they throw an abundance of concern and support to those who represent the moneyed interests whose financial support ensures their reelection. More and more our news is sourced from large centralized corporate enterprises that are more concerned with keeping viewer ratings high than reporting the truth. The checks and balances don’t work very well when we are being spoon fed lies by those who should be keeping watch over each other.
“. . .you’d just stop at the post office and someone was willing to talk. Kinda like the old time mini version of the NSA”.
Sometimes I think we would know more about what is going on if we followed the advice of Andy Sipowitz, the hard boiled detective on “NYPD BLUES”. In one episode, Andy is instructing his son on what it takes to be a good beat cop. Detective Andy Sipowitz outlined four principles:
- people; 2) place; 3) the things they do; 4) the times they do them.
I wonder if more observation and awareness of people and investigation of when something seems out of place might be more effective than collecting cellphone records and internet data. For example, the individuals who were taking flight lessons seemed out of place. A follow-through on that might have averted the 911 tragedy.
@Triedaq
Sorry if i took you out of context but it seems like what you are saying should be responded to this way.
I’m sure the beat cop, especially one on
A TV series, may have insiteful observations to offer the TV viewer , but it has little to to do with terrorists
Using digital communication. To think how one can substitute what a beat cop
did on his TV police beat with this simple creed and could have altered. 9/11 type attacks, is really an inadequate view of what goes on in real life intel gathering…
So all of a sudden , old Andy could be head of the CIA . Let’s make Michael Douglas president. In his roll as president, he wants to take ALL the guns from everyone. Sounds as good as a TV celeb. suggestion . After all, movie stars have even more cred.
George Zimmerman types who do not seem to use hard and fast evidence before acting but just seem to decide by what appears to be out of place, would not be my decision maker.
Some of the most heinous crimes were committed by people who never seemed out of place what so ever to even the most trained observers. All is necessary, "cell phone records and Internet data included’ . That’s how the criminal world communicates as well as the non criminal . They have access to cell phones and computers too.
@dagosa–what I am trying to say is that maybe a little observing and thinking and less inter-agency bureacracy might produce better results. The Russian government warned the state department about the Boston Marathon bombers, but no follow-up was taken. It is possible that 911 might have been averted if there had been more cooperation between law enforcement agencies. I am worried that all the data from the internet and cellphone records may only be helpful after the fact.
I don’t disagree at all that better communication will likely produce better results. That the data might only help after the fact, has not shown to be true. Yes, communications records can be used after the fact in a court of law to convict which does act as a deterrent. I feel confident too, that when the FBI offered their help, it was with the idea that stored records of all digital communications could be searched to find relevant communications that could go a long way to help identify the perpetrators. It’s obviously. Very important to have everyone involved to actively provide information. It’s also important to access to digital communications that might certainly help. If someone uses a phone, it’s worth while to use that phone to identify the person whether it be from the finger prints on the outside or the digital information the phone was used for.
Did the bombers store info on their computers in bomb making? Is it worthwhile to gain access to them for ID and prosecution purposes ? We can search a car or home with probable cause. Should we be able to search a computer as well, knowing in these days, that’s where evidence is stored.
@Triedaq
I think I was careful in asserting that human observation cannot always replace evidence gathering, including digital evidence, especially in this day and age. We use digital instead of paper storage now for a lot if things… That was the direction of my response.
http://m.techspot.com/news/46112-phone-companies-are-selling-your-personal-data-for-profit.html
Verizon maybe the first to admit it but even hidden by their saying they are not selling data that is personally linked to you, they are still acceding it that way. And, do you really think they are the only ones ? They define privacy for them selves and corporate law has protected them in the past from making products that maim and kill the public in the name of profit. The govt. does not do this! Corps. Do and have ready access to the same information as the govt which by in large, actually does have the obligation to serve and protect us.
Again, the world is upside down on this issue. Oh, we can couch our indignation behind comments like " oh, I feel that way about them too" but then proceede to use the vast majority of our time to blame public officials for violating our constitutionally protected rights when for years, our complaining wanes when it comes to for profits doing worse…routinely to ALL of us, all of the time.
yeah, I don t know why people seem to trust the corporations to have access, but have a fit if the govt does. I personally take our right to be free from unreasonable searches very seriously, but I feel we have more to fear from corporations abusing that access than we do from our govt
Alas. @wesw. Be prepared for the onslaught. Some actually believe the only purpose of the govt. is to take away their freedoms instead of protecting them. Here they come… Duck ! ;=)
This has been weighing on me for awhile,should our legislature folks really be educated and be versed on what they control? and are self evident truths absolute,This debate on this forum on the emission devices has got me thinking"stupid is, as stupid does" my vote for the best emission control device(which you probaly cant use on a diesel engine,is the PCV valve) Is it to much to ask that our lawmakers make informed decisions?-Kevin
Law makers are suppose to have a saff that researches all the ramifications of a bill so they are reasonable well informed and can prepare to vote in the best interest of the public. Just before the vote, they consult with the lobbiest who represents the biggest doners to his(her) reelection campaign for last minute advice on which way to vote. It’s like " for profit" government. So, lawmakers are very “well informed” as to who has the money. So in that respect, they make “informed” decisions. If what is best for the public and what their donors want coincide, everyone s happy. If not, it’s “do the little sidestep” time. Tate’s my take. The successful politicians are those who manage money along with some semblance of public good.
Dag,I’m sure it wouldn’t be as much fun as a person could imagine,but makes you wonder what life in those circles are like.The disconnect from reality could approach total,funny how so few can dictate the destinys of so many-even to the point of demanding their lives,no thanks -Kevin
From what I see it is a rubber stamp of proposals prepared by ALEC or other interested parties not an investigative research into legislation that they then propose.