# GM's new electric convertible **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 16, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182 "2021-04-16T15:56:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/1 "2021-04-16T15:56:09Z")
… will sell for less than $5k–in China. I honestly don’t think I have ever seen an uglier car! > **[GM unwraps $4,400 electric convertible](https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/gm-unveils-4400-electric-convertible)** > > GM's Chinese joint venture brand Wuling has unveiled the Hong Guang Mini EV Cabrio. The microcompact is a convertible version of a $4,400 coupe that is currently the best selling electric car in China. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/2 "2021-04-16T16:00:16Z")
Awww… it’s so ugly it’s cute? The Citroen 2CV was so popular it lasted over 40 years and no one called it beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/3 "2021-04-16T16:00:31Z")
Uglier than the Aztek, or Pacer, or Gremlin? The Deux Chevaux is about as ugly as it gets, but it is a good off-road car. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/4 "2021-04-16T16:02:58Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Uglier than the Aztek, or Pacer, or Gremlin? Speaking of the Aztek, I saw one last week. It appeared to be in fairly decent condition, but it was parked, so who knows whether it was even driveable. And, yes, it is still unspeakably ugly. Personally, I put the 2CV in the “so ugly it’s cute” category. When I was about 13 or 14, I saw one at Tanglewood, in the Berkshire Hills, and I insisted that my father take my pic standing next to it. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/5 "2021-04-16T16:15:16Z")
In the 1950s, there was a neighbor at the bottom of the hill with a 2CV. The body panels were so thing that they were corrugated. A guy I used to work with had an Aztek. He put splotch decals on it. It seems he had a sense of humor about how ugly it was. Probably a step up for him, though, since he came from Russia. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/6 "2021-04-16T16:24:18Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > The body panels were so thing that they were corrugated. I can’t verify that this is true, but I recall reading many years ago that some hardware stores in France sold fenders and door panels for 2CVs. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/7 "2021-04-16T16:24:41Z")
I used to thing that the Aztek put the ug in ugly and it could not get any worse but I have been proven wrong many times since. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/8 "2021-04-16T16:36:41Z")
I did’nt see any thing about what the body size was but it looks like I might be able to get one foot in it. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/9 "2021-04-16T16:41:19Z")
It looks truly tiny. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 4:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/10 "2021-04-16T16:46:04Z")
That was my thoughts looking at the pictures. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/11 "2021-04-16T19:22:12Z")
Which is smaller, which is uglier? The Hong Guang Mini EV Cabrio or the Smart fourtwo cabriolet? I vote for the Hong Guangzhou Mini EV Cabrio. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/c/e/cec4ff7834d14f1c2fabee0b25f04a15bd33c910.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/0/6/0694f6422e6d5f214d5ab890c3fafea9bbe5bf7e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/12 "2021-04-17T03:39:34Z")
It looks better as a hardtop, without the roof it looks like that Audi cross cabriolet but with a higher beltline.114 inches overall length. ![EV](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/9/a/9a63b40ec0e56a26aefcb71bd34ead9668ba0718.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 11:38am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/13 "2021-04-17T11:38:54Z")
I posted a picture of the Cabrio because it looks like a cartoon car to me. ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/14 "2021-04-17T14:37:46Z")
Let’s see crash test. Crumple zone is 13”. Where is it going to crumple into? ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/15 "2021-04-17T15:38:37Z")
It’s not for sale in the US. Why would the American crumple zone rules make a difference? ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/16 "2021-04-17T16:55:24Z")
A very accurate description, but still not as cartoonish as some of the other tiny convertibles that were offered in Europe in the past, The Daihatsu Copen looked like an Audi TT that had been shrunk down a few sizes. Clarkson towered over the windshield when they had him climb in one on top gear. ![daihatsucopendr_1_560px](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/8/7/87066f647677bf904a8acf2c692ab407b689b740.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/17 "2021-04-17T17:20:15Z")
Let’s not forget the Suzuki X-90. It wasn’t actually a convertible, but the removable T-top gave the occupants of this weird little car an open air experience. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/5/c/5c3ae8bf26714437155871476e811db2f0dce7ab.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/18 "2021-04-17T18:12:11Z")
That is quite hideous! ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/19 "2021-04-17T18:50:16Z")
Yes, it was definitely hideous, but it did answer the following question: **How many people want a tiny, underpowered 2-seat AWD vehicle?** Unfortunately for Suzuki, the answer to that question was… … **very few people**. 😏 I live in an area where there are lots of foreign cars, but–IIRC–I have only seen 2 or 3 or these over the years. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182/20 "2021-04-17T23:26:59Z")
We will have to disagree on that one. The Daihatsu is a lot better looking and less comical than the Hong Guang Mini EV Cabrio IMO. I’m sure the Copen is junk, though. I had a Daihatsu rental for a weekend while I was on Monkey Island, and it was easily the worst tin can I’ve ever driven. A new car and it buzzed incessantly from poorly fitting interior panels. The good news is that the maximum speed was 50 kph (35 mph). Can’t do too much damage to yourself at that speed, and there were very few places where anyone would want to go faster. [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/gms-new-electric-convertible/176182.md?page=2)