Garage vs Outside

your brother is the ‘rightest’ man in the whole world.

From the OP post, we have to assume ehelme live in an apartment with a heated underground garage, and the garage is already heated. In order to avoid the frozen condensate problem, I recommended in my last post that the car should be plugged in even in a heated garage to give the engine a head start in warming up. To save power, I would use a timer of course as you point out. Your recommendations are very good, however, and I practiced most of them by being raised on a farm.

Most Fairbanks garages must know how to install a block heater in a Toyota.

I have used vehicles in the Arctic in temperatures as low as -55F, and with synthetic oil (oW30) and with battery, engine, and oil pan heaters we managed OK.

High temperatue in Fairbanks in January is -2F and the mean low is -20F. Salt is not effective at these temperatures

Says who??? CalciumChloride works fine down to -30. Most of the snow melt they use arund here is MagnesiumCholoride which only is only effective down to about 0. But I’ll bet that Alaska uses CalciumChloride.

I’ve spent much time in the North and the way they hamdle snow is to spread sand and crushed rock on it for traction, and wait for mother nature to melt it eventually. Calcium in sufficient quantities to melt the snow would be prohibitvely expensive spread over a small population. Even some Canadian cities, like Edmonton, much further South, use crushed rock and sand to get traction. Around the Great Lakes lots of salt and calcium chloride is used as “bare pavement plolicy” because it works much better at these higher temperatures. And a much larger tax base to pay for it.

If you care to travel to any of these places you can se for yourself. Coastal Alaska with higher temperatures would benefit from salt.

In North Dakota apartments had assigned spaces with outdoor sockets on posts controlled by switches inside the apartments. This was the normal, expected setup. It prevents someone else from using your electricity. I don’t know if Alaska is the same way. It probably is.

Technically The relative humidity in the heated garage should be less then the outside RH, unless there is a humidifier or other big source of something putting out moisture in the garage.

One of the problems in an underground garage is all the snow and ice that falls out of the fenders and melts. Unless the garage is well ventilated, this tends to increase the humidity. Still, I would rather park in a moist warm garage at -20F than outside.

I have been struggling with this question for years…whether to leave my car outside during the winter, or to park it in my unheated garage. I live in upstate NY, in an area that gets 200 inches of snow per year. Our average high temp in the winter is around 30 degrees, low around 15. Our cars see lots of road salt. When I park in the garage after driving on wet, salted roads, I know that the salt continues to be active in the corrosion process inside the garage. Outside, its below freezing and the process slows and stops. However, there is less damage to the powertrain since the garage stays around 35-40 degrees and this results in warmer starts. This also means no scraping or brushing off snow. I am not really worried about the body itself; I am more worried about the fuel lines, brake lines, power steering lines corroding prematurely.

Some thoughts:

  1. If there are long stretches between snowfalls in your area, and the salt dries on your car, as long as it doesn’t get wet, there will be very limited corrosive effects. It takes a decent amount of moisture to activate the corrosive features of road salt.

  2. When you get your car washed in the winter, be sure to get the underbody spray. Getting the salt off the fuel and brake lines is more important as they are less protected than the body panels.

  3. If you have some sort of guard over your fuel and brake lines, consider removing it. On my Corolla, there is a plastic guard that covers the fuel and brake lines as they run inside of a frame rail. That guard, despite its drain holes, traps salt and moisture and advances fuel line corrosion. I removed mine and cleaned all of the fuel lines. There were some spots that were pitting with corrision already! (The car is a 2002).

  4. Consider getting underneath your car and coating the fuel and brake lines with heavy grease when they are clean. This will delay the corrosion process and prolong the life of these lines which are a pain and expensive to replace. You will need to recoat the lines with grease about once a month, best after a wash with an underspray.

Good points yacacn! When I lived in the Great Lakes Rust Belt, I parked in a cold garage, and used the block heater for 2 hours on cold days to warm up the engine. In those days you got your car Ziebarted, covered the underside with a sticky tar & wax mixture. It was sprayed inside your doors as well. It did a great deal to slow down the rust.

There were also oilers, guys who sprayed used crankcase oil to the underside of your car. It worked well, but had to be redone every year. Although illegal now for environmental reasons, I understand there are areas in the US where it is still done.

Although rust protection is much better now, cars in the dry araeas of the West still last twice as long as those in the humid East.

I’ve lived all my life in the NorthEast. And now where have I ever seen them use just sand and crushed rock. Everyplace I’ve lived used some kind of salt to MELT the snow. Usually potasium or magnesium chloride. Area’s in upstate NY use Calcium chloride because of the amount of snow they get and the very very cold winters. I lived for 3 months in Messena NY where temps have been known to reach -40. It did a few times I was there…And Calcium was used a LOT…