# Full Synthetic 0W-20 engine oil change interval **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Created:** [November 13, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363 "2017-11-13T17:24:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 2:41am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/262 "2017-12-03T02:41:17Z")
> [@ToyotaWill](#): > > Toyota indeed went to 0W-20 from 5W-20 to meet CAFE regulations on gas mileage. What I find reprehensible is that they insist that you must use 0W-20, "if 0W-20 is not available, you can use “5W-20 regular oil but upon the next oil change, you must return to 0W-20”, while refusing to admit that there is no legitimate reason that 5W-20 will do anything to affect an engine negatively. Toyota’s very concession shows the lie to their insistence that you must use 0W-20 regularly. Again you are faulting manufacturers for publishing information in the owners manual that is required by the EPA. The oil used during the EPA certification process is the oil that must be listed in the owners manual. > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > My parting thought is that there should be some practicality in how much is going to be forced upon auto mfrs. to do in reducing emissions. I think the EPA has gone too far already. > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > The people are the ones that should be controlling the government, but it is totally the opposite way where there are chains and shackles around the citizens, and few people care to do anything about it, but simply placidly accept it. During the last decade the people voted for a politician that promised cleaner air, cars that got better fuel economy and a million electric cars on the road by 2015. The people voting do not understand the complexity, costs and compromise involved with these changes. I read the first page of Toyota complains in your Consumer Affairs link, some of us are familiar with those engine problems and those engines use 5W30 engine oil. Perhaps the switch to 0W20 is the solution to some of those problems. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/263 "2017-12-03T02:43:03Z")
some people filter what they read, so that the end result is . . . they see what they want to see same thing goes for hearing, I suppose That doesn’t just apply to motor oil ---
**Author:** ![ToyotaWill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@ToyotaWill](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ToyotaWill)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/264 "2017-12-03T03:29:30Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > I do not see an option as you claim > “and in their profiles list their favorite posters show a bunch of you control these boards” > Now the link you provided > [Top 364 Toyota Camry Reviews From Car Owners | ConsumerAffairs](https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota-camry.html?page=1) > Has 244 reviews and complaints dating back to 2003. Saw that, and you want to refuse the fact > that 4 of the top 10 cars on their website are Toyatas [10 Best Car Models Compared | ConsumerAffairs®](https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/car-models/) “You want to refuse the fact that 4 of the top 10 cars…are Toyotas.” That’s falsehood you fabricated. Just because I didn’t comment on it, you just decided to take that and put a negative twist that apparently you have been wanting to do. That’s why you made sure you first stated now in your latest post that my link has 244 reviews and complaints. Why didn’t you validate that the other 3+ times you looked at the link? I looked at your link of the Top Ten Cars, and found in the Prius reviews that there are 95 one star reviews, & 69 two star reviews, which only support the mostly one star reviews of the Camry, all of these showing Toyota’s had/has some serious problems, and they need to clean house. And since you can’t find something that is as easily seen, after you looked for it 4 times, here it is: How do I know I can trust these reviews about Toyota? 949,292 reviews on ConsumerAffairs are verified. We require contact information to ensure our reviewers are real. We use intelligent software that helps us maintain the integrity of reviews. Our moderators read all reviews to verify quality and helpfulness. For more information about reviews on [ConsumerAffairs.com](http://ConsumerAffairs.com) please visit our FAQ. ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/265 "2017-12-03T03:48:59Z")
> [@ToyotaWill](#): > > “You want to refuse the fact that 4 of the top 10 cars…are Toyotas.” That’s falsehood you fabricated. Sorrry took it from a website I thought you trusted, and would respect the results. Sure there have been possibly > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > 949,292 reviews on ConsumerAffairs are verified but the fact that there are only 244 complaints against the camry since 2003 is a fact The 4 toyota models in the top ten is not fabricated, it is on their website. Repeat the link for you > **[10 Best Car Models Compared | ConsumerAffairs®](https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/car-models/)** > > Compare the best car models using expert ratings and consumer reviews in the official ConsumerAffairs buyers guide. Now deal with it in the reality that it exists. > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > And since you can’t find something that is as easily seen, after you looked for it 4 times, here it is: And how do you know how many times I have looked at it? you are obviously linked in somehow, email me HAHA, and I will respond via instagram ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/266 "2017-12-03T03:52:06Z")
@cdaquila Carolyn , I stopped reading this thread because it will never have a conclusion . But will it set a record for number of posts? ---
**Author:** ![sgtrock21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/sgtrock21/32/246_2.png) [@sgtrock21](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sgtrock21)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/267 "2017-12-03T04:56:52Z")
Selective hearing. A word of advice. If you’re sitting on the couch with your Wife trying to watch something you are interested in on TV while she is constantly yakking. You will eventually get an elbow in the ribs followed by the question: “Have you been listening to anything I have been saying”? There is no correct answer. An honest no will result in a pissed off Wife. Yes will result in a pop quiz with a more pissed off Wife. Lose, lose. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/268 "2017-12-03T05:03:11Z")
Sarge, wives never “yak”, they are communicating or relating. Don’t you watch daytime TV? That’s why I have a big garage, and a shop, and an office. Ad she thinks I should get a hearing aid? Tee hee. ---
**Author:** ![ToyotaWill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@ToyotaWill](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ToyotaWill)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/269 "2017-12-03T05:19:45Z")
> [@Nevada\_545](#): > > > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > > > Toyota indeed went to 0W-20 from 5W-20 to meet CAFE regulations on gas mileage. What I find reprehensible is that they insist that you must use 0W-20, "if 0W-20 is not available, you can use “5W-20 regular oil but upon the next oil change, you must return to 0W-20”, while refusing to admit that there is no legitimate reason that 5W-20 will do anything to affect an engine negatively. Toyota’s very concession shows the lie to their insistence that you must use 0W-20 regularly. > > Again you are faulting manufacturers for publishing information in the owners manual that is required by the EPA. The oil used during the EPA certification process is the oil that must be listed in the owners manual. > > **_Yes, I found that you are correct about the EPA mandating it in the owner’s manual. However, the EPA has been one-upped by Toyota right in another part of the very manual in my hand for my 2017, and you must have missed that I already stated it in the quote of mind above that your response is to. Toyota states that you can use 5W-20 non-synthetic oil “If 0W-20 is not available. However, on your next oil change, you must use 0W-20.” How interesting! Toyota is basically admitting that even 5W-20 conventional oil will not have detrimental effects on the engine. Also, the EPA has not, and probably cannot legally, mandate that the manufacturer or dealer must tell the customer they cannot use any other weight._** > > > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > > > My parting thought is that there should be some practicality in how much is going to be forced upon auto mfrs. to do in reducing emissions. I think the EPA has gone too far already. > > > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > > > The people are the ones that should be controlling the government, but it is totally the opposite way where there are chains and shackles around the citizens, and few people care to do anything about it, but simply placidly accept it. > > During the last decade the people voted for a politician that promised cleaner air, cars that got better fuel economy and a million electric cars on the road by 2015. The people voting do not understand the complexity, costs and compromise involved with these changes. > > I read the first page of Toyota complains in your Consumer Affairs link, some of us are familiar with those engine problems and those engines use 5W30 engine oil. Perhaps the switch to 0W20 is the solution to some of those problems. \*\*_A class action lawsuit was filed on the 2007 Toyotas, and they included many models: 2007-2009 Toyota Camry; 2007-2011 Toyota Camry Hybrid; 2007-2008 Toyota Solara; 2009 Toyota Corolla; 2009 Toyota Matrix; 2006-2008 Toyota RAV4; 2007-2008 Scion Tc; 2008-2009 Scion Xb. To me, such major screwups make me wonder about the competency of the engineering at Toyota._ **_In response to your other comment on the politics involved, I totally agree. Many of “the people” are truly sheeple, so brainwashed by the lying and party controlled media, and the leftist educational system created by those in power to advance their own agenda & enhance their pocketbooks, has so twisted children’s brains, they are incapable of objective thought and decision of their own, This corrupt political system has for decades been forcing transformation to their ideology. The EPA follows that agenda, so is it any wonder the people have been left as puppets to manipulate, so is it any wonder they control automobiles to this degree and the majority of citizens do not understand, as you state it, the complexity, costs and compromise that cleaner air and better fuel economy entail? While a reduction in pollution is not a bad thing, it is like p\*ssing in the ocean when California breathes toxic fumes that reach over the ocean to them from China? And there is no open political discourse considered acceptable unless it follows a prescribed politically correct, leftist agenda. What does this all have to do with cars? Everything, if your eyes are open to see it, but it seems most refuse to…_** ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/270 "2017-12-03T05:54:09Z")
I think the EPA has not gone far enough, and you think they have gone too far you must love, love leaded gas, mercury emissions, and particulate matter? ---
**Author:** ![sgtrock21](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/sgtrock21/32/246_2.png) [@sgtrock21](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sgtrock21)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/271 "2017-12-03T06:00:43Z")
I agree. Another OP that asks a simple question but will not accept any logical advise from experienced experts.Their internet search arguments are data anyone could access. Juvenile behavior leads me to think of an 8th grade Middle School 13 year old. This “train wreck” needs to be closed. ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/272 "2017-12-03T06:03:59Z")
It seems that Toyota is the industry leader in redesigning pistons 5 years after the sale but all manufactures deal with common failures with certain engines. There have always been failures that develop in real world customer use that did not occur during testing. Manufactures spend millions on product testing but cannot find every flaw due to time restrains. ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:11am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/273 "2017-12-03T06:11:44Z")
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**Author:** ![ToyotaWill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@ToyotaWill](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ToyotaWill)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/274 "2017-12-03T17:45:44Z")
![WhyBully](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/2X/7/77ecdb74fb1365370301ae1704faf82f1d39d432.jpg) All my information is not just from “internet search arguments…anyone could access.” But, few bothered to even look at that which I gave links to. Juveniile behavior leads me to think of 6th grade or lower mentality that simply bully, antagonize, belittle, and exhibit puffed-up egos a pin could deflate and collapse. FYI, your can’t speak to Master Toyota Techs on an internet search, nor can you speak to a major researcher in the field of petroleum analysis. Yet this is all dismissed by many of the posters of the 'ol chum club that defends each in their group, and hijacks threads on this site. A “train wreck” describes the hostile, endless, and empty replies that comprise the majority of those who think they own the boards on this site. Those replies are what needs to be closed, and yours is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Rod-Knox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Rod-Knox](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rod-Knox)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/275 "2017-12-03T17:54:17Z")
Then she offered this @Barkkydog it might suit some in this discussion ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/276 "2017-12-03T18:04:25Z")
“To try to get others to like them” If that was your plan . . . ---
**Author:** ![ToyotaWill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@ToyotaWill](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ToyotaWill)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/277 "2017-12-03T18:11:30Z")
I posted the list to describe others’ behavior, not my own. Some people don’t know how to read correctly, aka as demonstrated by not being able to find material in a big, blue box on a website they needed the link multiple times, and still couldn’t find it… ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/278 "2017-12-03T18:47:56Z")
> [@ToyotaWill](#): > > nor can you speak to a major researcher in the field of petroleum analysis. What, exactly, did he tell you? ---
**Author:** ![ToyotaWill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@ToyotaWill](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ToyotaWill)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/279 "2017-12-03T19:00:00Z")
> [@texases](#): > > > [@ToyotaWill](#): > > > > nor can you speak to a major researcher in the field of petroleum analysis. > > What, exactly, did he tell you? With nothing but constant attacks, belitling, and abuse here, I don’t see the purpose in providing material to those who could care less, but simply wait for my next response to attack it. I’ve never dealt with such a bunch that act like pres-adolescents with ego issues. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/280 "2017-12-03T19:02:17Z")
Seriously? You have a chance to present actual information and you chicken out now, after all you’ve posted? My benefit of the doubt just disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363/281 "2017-12-03T19:07:03Z")
Or maybe they just reach their tolerance limit and their head explodes? When I see these long responses though it reminds me of high school journalism class. The first shock to us little snow flakes was when the teacher told us no one cares what we think so take that out of your articles. The second was we’d write maybe a two page article for the paper, and by the time we got done editing out all the extraneous stuff, we’d be down to a paragraph or two. Interesting that that paragraph said the same thing as the two pages without all the extras. It takes a little work though. The teacher was correct though and provided a life lesson remembered for 50 years. A third was never go on an over-night trip with him. Now they’d throw him in jail, but back then we just avoid being alone with him. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363.md?page=13) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/full-synthetic-0w-20-engine-oil-change-interval/109363.md?page=15)