# Fuel Economy **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Created:** [March 9, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627 "2008-03-09T19:03:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![usedcars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3ab097/32.png) [@usedcars](https://community.cartalk.com/u/usedcars)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/1 "2008-03-09T19:03:39Z")
My sister who lives in the city of cars, Detroit, has just informed me that she has found a way to greatly increase her auto milage and thus make her foot print smaller. Her “mechanic” has pumped nitrogen into the 4 tires of her 2007 Buick. This cost her $30. BUT, he guarantees that she will save her $50.00 due to the increased MPG. I doubt this. 1. Wouldn’t the tire companies be touting this? 2. My sister travels 2000 miles a year - how can she save $50.00? 3. Isn’t nitrogen part of a formula for laughing gas? 4. Is the “Mechanic” blowing more than nitrogen? ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/2 "2008-03-09T19:09:35Z")
If that mechanic had an M.D. degree, he would be called a “quack”. Since he apparently lacks that sheepskin, the most polite term that I can come up with for him is Scam Artist. Once your sister realizes that she has blown $50.00, perhaps she will become more wary of obvious scams like this. ---
**Author:** ![wizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wizard](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wizard)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/3 "2008-03-09T19:15:15Z")
No matter what gas is put in the tires, it will not really improve gas milage. My tires are filled with nitrogen only because when I bought them, that is what they filled them with for no “sdditional cost”. Taking the lead out of the foot is a sure way to start saving and coasting as much as possible without having to stop is another. Of course, one must stop at the stop signs, but coasting to ths traffic light trying not to bring the car to a complete stop is another way. The mechanic is probably laughing about what all the way to the bank. Nitrogen is used in large aircraft because of the change of atmospheric pressure and temperatures. It is a gas that under those conditions is more stable. ---
**Author:** ![Beefy\_Norm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a4c791/32.png) [@Beefy\_Norm](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Beefy_Norm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/4 "2008-03-09T19:20:55Z")
Nitrogen! Holy Crap! Get that nitrogen out of there before she takes a long trip and blows herself to the moon. I guarantee this will happen when the weather gets warmer. Nitrogen is very unstable when mixed with warm air. And, never go back to that shop again. Your sister is going to someday leave a “Footprint” that is like a moon crater unless you get that Nitro out. Anyone can improve their mileage by keeping the tires properly inflated. Ask yourself how many tanks of gas will it take, and what kind of driving will she have to do to achieve that $50. I bet it will be insignificant ---
**Author:** ![Joseph\_E\_Meehan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/joseph_e_meehan/32/21_2.png) [@Joseph\_E\_Meehan](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Joseph_E_Meehan)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/5 "2008-03-09T19:22:57Z")
1. Wouldn’t the tire companies be touting this? 2. My sister travels 2000 miles a year - how can she save $50.00? 3. Isn’t nitrogen part of a formula for laughing gas? 4. Is the “Mechanic” blowing more than nitrogen? ---
**Author:** ![pleasedodgevan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@pleasedodgevan](https://community.cartalk.com/u/pleasedodgevan)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/6 "2008-03-09T19:31:35Z")
Family discussions can get freaky. Overcharging for nitrogen would be $1.50 a tire. $30 for four tires is awful. There is a sucker born every minute. Save nothing, spend $30. ---
**Author:** ![andrew\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@andrew\_j](https://community.cartalk.com/u/andrew_j)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/7 "2008-03-09T19:53:44Z")
Did you know air is 80% nitrogen? Many shops install nitrogen now(free) and its safe. ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/8 "2008-03-09T20:25:24Z")
“Mechanic” is a misnomer in this case; ill informed or crook is more appropriate. Tell your sister to forget this “footprint” garbage also as that ranks right in there with the nitrogen business. ---
**Author:** ![rockford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@rockford](https://community.cartalk.com/u/rockford)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/9 "2008-03-09T20:44:20Z")
To confirm what andrew j said, nitrogen is safe. You must be thinking of hydrogen. Or nitroglycerin. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/10 "2008-03-09T21:20:25Z")
``` "Nitrogen is used in large aircraft because of the change of atmospheric pressure and temperatures. It is a gas that under those conditions is more stable." ``` Nitrogen is used in aircraft tires because it won’t feed oxygen to a brake fire if the tire should explode from the flames and heat. ---
**Author:** ![winarth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@winarth](https://community.cartalk.com/u/winarth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/11 "2008-03-09T21:26:48Z")
Nitrogen is supposed to cut down on the deterioration due to oxygen inside the tire. It may help some, but that is all it does. A lot of tire companies use this, but the charge should be nominal. It is perfectly safe. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/12 "2008-03-09T21:29:14Z")
Tires filled with nitrogen will hold pressure longer than with just air. As tire pressure decreases, mileage goes down as well. If your sister isn’t good about keeping an eye on her tire pressure, then her fuel economy could suffer a little and the nitrogen would help a little. I’d guess that in a worse case situation, using the nitrogen might save her $5 over a 10 year period, if the “mechanic” gives her free refills as needed, including if she gets new tires. A couple of issues though, unlike aircraft tires which are purged of air when filling, most tire stores don’t do this. They just pressurize the tire with nitrogen, so there will still be some oxygen in there. If you just use air to pressurize a tire and the oxygen slowly escapes, eventually the tires will have a high level of nitrogen, as air is 78% nitrogen. One good thing about using N2 is that it is dry, no moisture like you usually get from compressed air. Some places use an air water separator on their air compressors, which helps. ---
**Author:** ![SteveF](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/stevef/32/2_2.png) [@SteveF](https://community.cartalk.com/u/SteveF)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/13 "2008-03-09T21:42:17Z")
And you asked about laughing gas. That’s nitrous oxide, used by some dentists as a mild anesthetic. It is in no way related to the nitrogen used in those tires – nor to the nitrogen in the atmosphere. ---
**Author:** ![Dleit53](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/dleit53/32/689_2.png) [@Dleit53](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Dleit53)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/14 "2008-03-09T22:18:53Z")
For almost 40 years, I have been using a special blend of over 70% nitrogen, with about 20% oxygen, and several other gases, and I have been very happy with the results. It is available at many gas stations, and goes under the name of “AIR”! ---
**Author:** ![wizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wizard](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wizard)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/15 "2008-03-09T22:57:32Z")
It is also used in the struts, because it is a stable gas over a wide range of temps. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/16 "2008-03-10T00:02:15Z")
Air at sea level is 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen and 1% argon. There’s a very little bit of other stuff in there, too. I suppose that over time, oxygen might react with the rubber, but it should not be much. I believe that anyone using a nitrogen charge, like aircraft or race cars, does it to reduce burn potential as mentioned above. I see no particular reason for most people to use nitrogen only. ---
**Author:** ![meaneyedcatz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/meaneyedcatz/32/692_2.png) [@meaneyedcatz](https://community.cartalk.com/u/meaneyedcatz)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/17 "2008-03-10T00:15:30Z")
Nitrogen molecules are larger than o2 molecules so the tire will not dissipate (spelling?)the gas as quickly therefore, keeping the tires at the proper psi longer. BUT, the nitrogen will leak anyway and when you need to refill you must return to that dealer. Do you have time for that? I don’t. Nascar uses nitrogen for good reasons but nobody on the street drives down rt 66 @ 178mph. Also o2 or air has been used ever since inflatable tires were invented so I believe they are good enough. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 8:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/18 "2008-03-10T20:52:34Z")
Landfills the world over wish tires would deteriorate. They don’t. ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/19 "2008-03-10T20:54:21Z")
I carry nitroglycerin with me everywhere I go. Doggoned heart attack! ---
**Author:** ![the\_same\_mountainbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@the\_same\_mountainbike](https://community.cartalk.com/u/the_same_mountainbike)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627/20 "2008-03-10T20:57:28Z")
Race tires are also much thinner, use a less dense compound, and (because they’re thinner and softer…and the speeds those guys travel) are far more sensitive to changes in air temperature than passenger car tires. Race tires don’t have to go 50,000 miles…or go over potholes. They can be thin and soft. Oh, and nitrogen won’t feed a fire in the pits like oxygen would. That’s why sanctioning bodies prohibit it. [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fuel-economy/11627.md?page=2)