# Fram oil filter of same part number suddenly smaller? **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Tags:** pontiac, vibe\ **Created:** [May 25, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825 "2020-05-25T18:32:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![maple\_167644](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@maple\_167644](https://community.cartalk.com/u/maple_167644)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/1 "2020-05-25T18:32:06Z")
There is a big difference between the Fram CH10358 filters I’ve been buying for years and the ones I’ve just received from Canadian Tire, the major Canadian auto supplies store. They look to be about two thirds the size. Am I now supposed to use smaller filters in the same car? Or has Fram somehow mislabelled their box? I’ve posted a photo of the old box, on the right, and the new box and smaller filter I’ve just received on the left.[fram filter|690x388](https://community.cartalk.com/uploads/short-url/Ans1mOlneIDzrcWHAdKplmDDe29.jpeg) . Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/2 "2020-05-25T19:21:34Z")
if it was spin-on filter, I would not worry (for example, 7315 became smaller and it looks like it gets replaced by 6607 smaller cousin), but for the cartridge type it will not fit properly, so likely mislabel or manufacturing error IMHO ---
**Author:** ![shanonia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@shanonia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shanonia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/3 "2020-05-25T19:32:12Z")
The part number probably describes and defines the applications more than it does the size of the filter. But I would have the same question that you had. ---
**Author:** ![John-Bryson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dec6dc/32.png) [@John-Bryson](https://community.cartalk.com/u/John-Bryson)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/4 "2020-05-25T19:37:33Z")
IMHO- I would avoid Fram filters altogether. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/5 "2020-05-25T19:42:09Z")
Is there such a thing as ( In my humble opinion ) ? ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/6 "2020-05-25T19:45:28Z")
> [@maple\_167644](#): > > I’ve posted a photo of the old box, on the right, and the new box Now take a picture of the old filter and the new filter. My guess is it’s the same filter, just new packaging, gotta save the trees. ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/7 "2020-05-25T19:48:34Z")
Opinions are like anuses. We all have them and most of them stink! ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/8 "2020-05-25T20:02:23Z")
> [@John-Bryson](#): > > IMHO- I would avoid Fram filters altogether. Care to explain why? Tester ---
**Author:** ![common-sense-answer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/common-sense-answer/32/716_2.png) [@common-sense-answer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/common-sense-answer)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/9 "2020-05-25T20:04:36Z")
**Pontiac Vibe** **What is the model-year and engine size (1.8L ?).** I looked up a 2008 Vibe. It looks like the OE filter is an AC Delco PF1233. _ **Rock Auto** _ online has them for $2.69 each +S&H. I’d stock up on several in one order. They sell 12 different make/model filters for that vehicle, including some Frams… PH4967, TG4967, and XG4967, but **they don’t show a Fram CH10358** for an 08 Vibe 1.8L. Are you getting the part number from the car’s Owner Manual? I use whatever filter is specified by the manual. _ **CSA** _ 🌴 🕶 🌴 ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/10 "2020-05-25T20:19:18Z")
Although I know the answer already, I would also like to hear an explanation from John-Bryson of why one should not use Fram filters… ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/11 "2020-05-25T21:16:47Z")
I just use OEM AC and Honda so don’t worry about it. One guy told me to be sure to check inside the box when buying filters where customers have access to them. Seems some folks like to swap more expensive filter into cheaper boxes. Always someone. ---
**Author:** ![circuitsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/circuitsmith/32/40376_2.png) [@circuitsmith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/circuitsmith)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/12 "2020-05-25T22:32:38Z")
I had a Fram spring a leak at the seam 35 years ago, and I’ve never used one since. I happened to be 700 miles from home. However, I’m not going to say anyone else should not use one today. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/13 "2020-05-25T22:41:55Z")
I think they are all drawn steel now anyway without seams but still don’t use them. In the can plant those cans would just zip by the soldering station at about a second a piece so leakers happened once in a while. I suspect it was the same technology back then but can’t remember what they looked like. ---
**Author:** ![Tester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/tester/32/15976_2.png) [@Tester](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Tester)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/14 "2020-05-25T22:52:14Z")
Gee! What could go wrong? [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/7/7/77c85244a119d6da446a3aa405ec9279aa477ee0.jpeg "automobile oil filters production") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U26L90WufII) Tester ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/15 "2020-05-25T23:00:09Z")
Makes me homesick for the old can plant. Very similar making beer cans. Can still hear the punch presses and cans rattling around. Only difference was all the printing was done before the sheet metal was cut up. Those guys doing the printing made big bucks. Didn’t have any Asians though and no funny writing. ---
**Author:** ![pleasedodgevan2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ad7895/32.png) [@pleasedodgevan2](https://community.cartalk.com/u/pleasedodgevan2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/16 "2020-05-26T06:03:44Z")
No finger prints? You’ll never know who to blame for a bad filter. PPE should be so quick. ---
**Author:** ![davepsinbox\_157004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@davepsinbox\_157004](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davepsinbox_157004)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/17 "2020-05-26T16:24:27Z")
> [@common-sense-answer](#): > > They sell 12 different make/model filters for that vehicle, including some Frams… PH4967, TG4967, and XG4967, but **they don’t show a Fram CH10358** for an 08 Vibe 1.8L. The Fram CH10358 is specified for the 09-10 Vibe. If the OP’s car is a late production 08 it could have the same filter as an 09. [Fram CH10358 Oil Filter](http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/fram/ch10358-oil-filter.html) ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/18 "2020-05-26T17:04:19Z")
> [@Tester](#): > > Care to explain why? Some people are persuaded by these websites who THINK they are authorities. Fram sells more filters then most of it’s competitors COMBINED. If Fram had problems with their filters then we’d be seeing thousand upon thousands of engine failures every year. They make a quality filter that meets or exceeds the applications design requirements. As for different size…I suspect it’s GM that’s changing the filter spec. My GMC S-15 had a similar issue. For the 6 years I owned it GM changed the filter recommendations at least 3 times. And all aftermarket filter companies changed with the new spec. I like what Ford did back in the 60’s and 70’s. All cars used the same filter. From the 2.3L 4 cylinder to the big block V8’s (and everything in between) - all used the same filter. Fram was the PH8A. ---
**Author:** ![common-sense-answer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/common-sense-answer/32/716_2.png) [@common-sense-answer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/common-sense-answer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/19 "2020-05-26T17:04:40Z")
> [@davepsinbox\_157004](#): > > The Fram CH10358 is specified for the 09-10 Vibe. If the OP’s car is a late production 08 it could have the same filter as an 09. [Fram CH10358 Oil Filter](http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/fram/ch10358-oil-filter.html) That’s interesting, I suppose, but to my knowledge the O.P. has never responded to my model-year query, so I just grabbed one, 2008, to use as an example while waiting for any response. I’m still waiting, though… _ **CSA** _ 🌴 🕶 🌴 ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825/20 "2020-05-26T17:39:52Z")
> [@MikeInNH](#): > > I like what Ford did back in the 60’s and 70’s. All cars used the same filter. From the 2.3L 4 cylinder to the big block V8’s (and everything in between) - all used the same filter. Fram was the PH8A. this is pretty much what I used to see on my older Mazda, Nissans and Subarus: all of them would use the same filter. Now, getting old Toyota on “my fleet”, it uses a different one, then new Honda is yet another one… ☹ [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/fram-oil-filter-of-same-part-number-suddenly-smaller/164825.md?page=2)