# Ford goes BIG on electric vehicles **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646 "2021-09-28T16:58:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/61 "2021-10-01T22:50:55Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > I think natural gas is indeed the biggest source of power for generating electricity here in the SF Bay Area, I do believe that a good percentage of Cali power is imported from Canada. Just fine when they have the extra to send down the pike. Smoke and mirrors sometimes with pats on the back. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/62 "2021-10-02T11:17:02Z")
> [@keith](#): > > I wonder why no one has made the connection between the increased use of florescent lights in schools and behavioral issues from ADHD and autism. While this is surely not a scientific study, I can report that if one of my classes was beginning to get disorderly, simply turning-off the fluorescent lights had the dramatic effect of calming them down. The natural light coming in through the windows was sufficient for most classroom tasks. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/63 "2021-10-02T13:03:04Z")
> [@bing](#): > > I do believe that a good percentage of Cali power is imported from Canada. California gets it’s some of it’s natural gas from Canada, but not it’s electricity. [Energy in California - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_California) ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/64 "2021-10-02T14:34:52Z")
Cali imports electricity directly from other states. Does not necessarily mean that the imported natural gas from Canada isn’t used to produce electricity in natural gas powered electric plants. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/65 "2021-10-02T15:00:27Z")
> [@Scrapyard-John](#): > > Cali imports electricity directly from other states. I think that is true for every state, with the glaring exception of Texas. Hopefully they have learned that their form of energy independence can result in some really bad situations. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/66 "2021-10-02T15:02:34Z")
> [@Scrapyard-John](#): > > Does not necessarily mean that the imported natural gas from Canada isn’t used to produce electricity in natural gas powered electric plants. Good point. But even counting for that CA imports most of it’s natural gas. 27% does come from Canada. Half of their electricity is from natural gas. So that equates the Natural gas from Canada accounting for only about 13.5% of California’s energy. ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/67 "2021-10-02T15:56:27Z")
Which still begs the question, in my mind, of why they’d ban natural gas appliances in some cities, counties, whatever, when they’re importing natural gas from a whole other country. If you look at it from an optimist’s perspective, I guess you could conclude that they’re trying to reduce natural gas consumption so they don’t have to import. If you look at it from a more cynical perspective, it’s a “hey look at how green we are” shell game that really doesn’t accomplish anything besides burdening a few individual consumers by not allowing them the option of natural gas appliances. They have to choose all electric appliances…that rely on a grid powered by 50% natural gas. Kind of a “do as I say not as I do” move by the local government. That kind of stuff (if indeed it is what it appears to my admittedly cynical mind) gets on my nerves. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/68 "2021-10-02T17:45:24Z")
Has global warming occurred to you as a reason to ban new fossil fuel users? It’s very much like world wide bans on chloro-fluorocarbons. Have you tried to buy R-12 or R-134a? You might find them, but they were phased out or are in the process of phasing out. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/69 "2021-10-02T18:49:29Z")
> [@Scrapyard-John](#): > > Kind of a “do as I say not as I do” move by the local government California is also LA LA land for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/70 "2021-10-02T19:26:16Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > I can report that if one of my classes was beginning to get disorderly, simply turning-off the fluorescent lights had the dramatic effect of calming them down. OK for you, but all the new schools in this area do not have windows. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/71 "2021-10-02T19:31:44Z")
That’s because turning the lights off meant it was movie time instead of lecture time. Oh what fun when you walked into class and saw the projector. ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/72 "2021-10-02T21:03:02Z")
Ah, sure, of course. So quit importing natural gas from Canada. Then maybe the government can worry about my natural gas stove and water heater, gas powered generator, etc. I’m not going to get into the global warming conversation again other than to say I’m not on board with the excuse for every goofball government mandate to be explainable by “because global warming” Of all the problems in the world today and local governments are worried about some schmo’s choice of water heater. Gimme a break. Your opinion is free to vary. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/73 "2021-10-02T21:29:20Z")
> [@keith](#): > > all the new schools in this area do not have windows. Really? I have to say that this surprises me. ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/74 "2021-10-02T21:38:12Z")
Seems depressing. And potentially dangerous in the event of an emergency. ---
**Author:** ![keith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/keith/32/5518_2.png) [@keith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/keith)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/75 "2021-10-02T21:54:57Z")
I’d think so too, but this is Tornado country. ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/76 "2021-10-02T22:01:01Z")
Didn’t think of that really, and I’m in tornado country too. Still, schools have halls that you can get in that don’t have windows… ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/77 "2021-10-02T22:36:54Z")
> [@keith](#): > > I’d think so too, but this is Tornado country. But, at least they have A/C. Our classrooms had no A/C, and the rooms that faced the courtyard could easily get to 95+ degrees in the hotter months. Just try getting sweaty teens motivated when the temps rise that high. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 4:31am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/78 "2021-10-03T04:31:38Z")
> [@keith](#): > > I’d think so too, but this is Tornado country. I don’t remember where anymore but some years ago the interior block walls in a school collapsed during a tornado with many injuries. Yeah I always moved people away from potential flying glass but that doesn’t mean that the classrooms or hallways are safe. If the walls are reinforced, and if the ceilings are concrete ok, but most are just steel trusses covered with tin. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/79 "2021-10-03T13:40:49Z")
In the 1960s, preparing for a nuclear attack was all the rage, at least in the DC area. There was no room or hallway without windows. The halls only had windows at one end, and that’s where we assumed the position during a-bomb drills. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646/80 "2021-10-03T13:55:44Z")
In the '50s, we had both “short-notice” air raid drills and “long-notice” drills. For the short-notice drills, we were directed to crouch under our desks. For the long-notice drills, we raced down to the windowless school basement where we crouched along the walls, with our hands covering the back of our necks. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/ford-goes-big-on-electric-vehicles/179646.md?page=5)