# Flat Rate/Flag Hours **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Created:** [July 19, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814 "2019-07-19T23:29:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![eddo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/eddo/32/2594_2.png) [@eddo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/eddo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/96 "2019-12-13T16:42:44Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > Let’s bring it back to cars . . . > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/2/2/222c0b7fc095c5a10817d818c345cacfcd4c6262.jpeg) Lake Speed- one of the best racing names EVER! ---
**Author:** ![Rod-Knox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Rod-Knox](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rod-Knox)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/97 "2019-12-13T16:58:13Z")
But only the BEST cars… and mustard, of course ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/98 "2019-12-13T18:01:11Z")
My stint as a service manager was horrible. It wan’t the job or dealing with the mechanics. The mechanics felt that I was the only friend they had and I did my best to make sure the flat rate guys got the gravy jobs and the salaried trainees and so on got the penny ante squeak and rattle BS. The problem with being SM is that I was forced by the position to deal with the morons above me (owner, GM, etc) and had to sit through lame luncheons and so on trying to make them understand how this or that policy in the service dept. would not work,. Even the factory reps agreed with me but they have no pull at the dealership when it comes to policy. So it all falls upon deaf ears… ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/99 "2019-12-13T19:47:52Z")
> [@ok4450](#): > > The problem with being SM is that I was forced by the position to deal with the morons above me (owner, GM, etc) and had to sit through lame luncheons and so on trying to make them understand how this or that policy in the service dept. would not work,. And that is the exact reason why I intend to keep turning wrenches . . . instead of setting and/or enforcing policy . . . as long as I’m able to do so ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/100 "2019-12-13T21:02:28Z")
I’ve been informed that my post has been removed . . . And a certain individual has sent me 2 personal messages that were WAY out of line, extremely insulting, and full of foul language I don’t know about the rest of you, but I informed Carolyn that I received the messages, which particular individual sent the messages, and I even said I’d forward them to her, if she felt it was necessary Just a heads up . . . ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/101 "2019-12-13T21:13:55Z")
No messages for me yet. Got a mechanic bud retiring, he was straight salary. He eats advil like candy. A mechanics life can take its toll. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/102 "2019-12-13T21:30:09Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > Got a mechanic bud retiring, he was straight salary. He eats advil like candy. A mechanics life can take its toll. I’ve known quite a few mechanics who depended on painkillers to make it through a workday And even if you’re not in pain, there are plenty of other possible pitfalls, such as hearing loss, tinnitus, bad back, injured back, permanently damaged tendons, burns, scrapes, cuts, broken bones . . . I could go on ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/103 "2019-12-13T22:16:37Z")
> [@Emurry8448](#): > > Wow…this thread took a turn, Well hang on! You can’t come back after all this time and not tell us how it’s going for you! Did your situation improve? ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/104 "2019-12-13T22:40:51Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > Well hang on! You can’t come back after all this time and not tell us how it’s going for you! Did your situation improve? By now, I assume he told his previous employer to take their job and shove it, and took his talents elsewhere. Life is too short to work for a company which treats you poorly, or cheats you out of your pay. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/105 "2019-12-13T23:15:48Z")
I feel bad that your post has been removed I saw nothing wrong with it as it was in response to my spam comment. ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/108 "2019-12-13T23:43:54Z")
Wow. I’ve kept quiet since you resurrected this thread by responding to my post from several months ago. But I can’t help but comment on your obvious lack of knowledge about anything practical in the working world. I have held every position in the auto service industry from 16 year old gas station pump jockey to Master Technician and successful business owner. I really don’t need anyone’s advice on how to stand up for myself, make a living, operate a business, or act for the betterment of my industry. I have far more to offer in those respects than you could ever dream of. If this forum is such a group of sh&tbag crooks feel free to leave and never look back. Spread your particular brand of misery elsewhere, you’re not welcome here. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/109 "2019-12-13T23:46:36Z")
Agree & don;t leave the door hit you. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/110 "2019-12-13T23:52:18Z")
He rejoined 30 minute’s ago to try again he should be banned from this site by the way I flagged him so he would have no problem knowing who flagged him. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/111 "2019-12-14T00:38:06Z")
> [@bcohen2010](#): > > By now, I assume he told his previous employer to take their job and shove it, and took his talents elsewhere. Life is too short to work for a company which treats you poorly, or cheats you out of your pay. I for one did SOME of that I did indeed take my talents elsewhere, but I didn’t tell my previous employer to take the job and shove it . . . it’s unlikely, but possible, that I may need a reference someday, or maybe I’ll have to contact one of those guys for some other kind of help. It’s a small world While I wasn’t exactly treated well, I’m not sure I would go so far as to say I was systematically and regularly cheated. Sure, it happened a few times, but it wasn’t an everyday occurrence. The reality is that all mechanics grow smarter and faster, resulting in greater efficiency overall. I’m more efficient now, versus when I was at the dealership ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/112 "2019-12-14T00:47:05Z")
> [@asemaster](#): > > If this forum is such a group of sh&tbag crooks feel free to leave and never look back. Spread your particular brand of misery elsewhere, you’re not welcome here. Speed read fail, for me I guess, I do not see what you see. ---
**Author:** ![Emurry8448](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bc79bd/32.png) [@Emurry8448](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Emurry8448)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/113 "2019-12-14T03:14:54Z")
Sorry for the late response…again. Yeah I actually got burnt out from that job, having to argue with service advisors everyday about changing my hours on jobs (that were already minimal in my opinion) and management really didn’t care. Maybe it’s just my age (19) or maybe others were just tolerable to it. I had tons of energy and was very modivated, but might’ve not been right for me, just needed to pay bills. I’m now in the army training for 91-H (tracked vehicle mechanic). Thank you all for your comments aside from a few trolls, which I hear are being turned over to site moderators. ---
**Author:** ![Emurry8448](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bc79bd/32.png) [@Emurry8448](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Emurry8448)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/114 "2019-12-14T03:22:21Z")
I’m sorry my post brought this, you’ve invested quite some time into it, I trust your comments were not spam or necessarily off topic. Hope your message gets through ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814/115 "2019-12-14T04:07:59Z")
> [@Emurry8448](#): > > I’m now in the army training for 91-H (tracked vehicle mechanic). Glad to hear you’re doing that I believe once you’re out . . . whenever that is . . . you’ll have lots of good options, as far as well-paying jobs go [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/flat-rate-flag-hours/144814.md?page=4)