Expensive tire sidewall cracks; slow leak

You are seriously overestimating the knowledge and common sense of the driving diaspora(the driving public at large).

Look at my avatar. I was holding my purchase of that gauge while conversing with someone in a parking lot some years ago. A third person walked up and asked out of curiosity what was I holding. I’m not lying.

Sigh…

It was a scenario, to illustrate the principle of pressure compensation.

Of course if I check my tires at 4pm, even undriven, if the pressures all indicate 34-35psi, I’m not touching them. If one of them reads 32, I’ll pump it up to match the other 3, and then have it checked for a leak.

The pressure in the tire tells you that. Using the Ideal Gas Law, you can calculate the air temp inside the tires knowing where the pressures started, the outside temp available on most cars and the final pressure.

That really doesn’t tell ordinary drivers much, however. It IS useful for racers…

From a 33 psi starting pressure on a 90 degree day, if you read 36 psi at the tire, the tire’s inner temp is 125 degrees. Not enough to worry about.

Doing a track day, I tend to start at 27 psi at 90 degrees and finish at 36 psi for a 209 degree F tire temp. My IR temp reader on the tread matches pretty closely.

Heh heh heh. What was I holding. I told the story before but we were at the Amsterdam airport heading home and they went through my carry on. I have a lot of stuff I might need traveling and keep it in the car at home. Kinda my go bag. At any rate I had a pencil tire gauge in there. The guy took it out, looked at it, ran it through the X-ray machine. Thought it might be a bomb or weapon or something. I said it’s a tire gauge for when you put air in your bicycle tires. No I didn’t tell him that but how dumb do you have to be? Finally let me board. Amsterdam, city of drugs.

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Too much. More like 1 to 1.5 psi.

Having worked in ride development for about 25 years, we always check the tire pressures before a test ride. The sunny side tires, in Arizona, in the winter, were typically 1 psi higher that the shady side. We would set all 4 to the correct cold pressures to eliminate the effect on small ride events… pavement cracks, rough asphalt, ect.

Over the course of a working day, we’d generally let out 1 to 2 psi as the daytime temps increased. The next morning we’d air the tires back up since the temp was now cooler and we wanted the same baseline pressures.

I see it on a lot of semi-truck trailers these days. For fuel economy and safety.

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Of course, I welcome either measurement. If someone tells us that higher inflation pressures are unnecessary for high-speed operation and driving with higher pressure is “extremely dangerous”, I would like for them to acknowledge how hot their tires really get while driving at highway speeds.

BTW, I see a 3 psi increase in pressure after a 2 mile road test at 35 mph. 5 psi increase after 10 miles. I don’t drive customer’s vehicles 80 mph, I don’t know how hot they get during hours of driving.

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Even in more temperate NJ, I find the same pressure differential resulting from sun vs no direct sun.

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Well depending on the time of day, if I drive north the tires will be hotter on the east side. When I return driving south, just the opposite. I figure it averages out. Wow.

I thought those pencil type tire gauges weren’t much good. I tried one once, and found it varied in its reading moment-to-moment by a few PSI. But I admit it was cheap. Are some of them better? I ended up using a dial gauge (it’s consistent, though I don’t know its accuracy), which matches the readings from the dial gauge built into my Schwinn bicycle pump.

The guy at Goodyear had an electronic gauge that read to a precision (I don’t know the accuracy) of .01 PSI (I think). But I’m guessing they cost a lot more. Plus it required electricity. 0

I suppose if you wanted to be extremely picky, you would adjust the ideal gas law calculations for external barometric pressure (because it is the difference between internal and external pressure that matters most), and take into account the tension in the tire belts (which would be hard to figure out).

And I suppose that if you did want to estimate internal temperature, the use of externally measured temperature might not work as well for a tire with deep treads, like mine.

I was once told that on snow, you should drop the tire pressure by a couple PSI. Presumably to increase the area of contact, so the treads can grab and push against more snow? But I guess that is a bad idea on ice, where I guess you instead want to increase penetration depth, which means you want more pressure per contact area. (Which means that my desire for high road clearance and good snow performance, but which implies taller, wider tires, which increases contact area, is possibly counterproductive on ice.) I’ve never found a good solution for driving on ice, other than driving slowly and carefully. 4WD or AWD do help some, and having a little extra weight in the vehicle helps a little too.

To make it worse, in the areas I sometimes drive, we often have scattered pavement/snow/ice. To increase this thread drift, what do you folks do as far as tires for such conditions? (Of course, most of the time, I drive on ordinary dry or wet pavement - so it’s not worth extreme solutions, like tank treads. :grinning_face: Now that I think of it, I wonder if tank treads - which have studs - are street legal most times and places.) Full time chains are very inconvenient, and impractical in patchy pavement/snow/ice, and sometimes are impossible to put on when you are stuck, though at times I’ve used emergency chains to get unstuck. (If you want to XC ski, you usually have to drive during snow emergencies.)

E.g., if I had a real 4WD truck again with full differential lock selectable, would that be significantly better on ice than AWD? It’s certainly not perfect - I once spun out such a truck, in 4WD mode, on an ice covered bridge that caught me by surprise, while driving only about 15 mph. (And I once needed my traction mats on a dirt parking lot that turned to mud in the rain - and that was on those Firestone (275 R15? It’s been a while.) Wilderness AT tires. Though - it was on a pickup truck, which didn’t have fully loaded weight, especially in the rear cargo area. Also, I once pulled over onto a place that had ice covered grass, which I think may be worse than ice covered pavement. I needed a tow truck’s help for that.

I’ve had rental cars with a low tire. The pencil gauge works fine for that and easy to carry. I’m not an engineer so don’t mine a little inexactitude.

And once again we have a never ending thread .

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Like Minneapolis.

Let’s go for 200!!

I calculate that 33/540 (33 psi @ 540°R) would yield 139°F (589°R) for 36 psi.

Yeah and broken windows and stores burned and a monument to a felon, but luckily I don’t live there.

For automobile tires the standard is 1 psi = 12 degrees F.

And the owner’s manual even explains how to compensate for garage/outdoor temperature differences.

You used gauge pressure instead of absolute pressure. 33 psi-gauge is 47.7 psi-absolute at sea level and 36 psig is 50.7psia.

Rerun the calculation with absolute pressures and you’ll see the value I did.

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Why isn’t STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure) used where cold temperature would be 68F or 20C?

All big cities have both good and bad neighborhoods.

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My Snap-on pencil gauge is very precise, to the point I test my other gauges against it to see if they are off, I take very good care of it, I bought it over 30 years ago, so I guess you get what you pay for…

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Tester

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