# End of life for typical Prius compared to an ICE? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 13, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582 "2019-12-13T02:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/21 "2019-12-13T15:51:36Z")
It doesn’t seem Honda had anything special. Once they built a direct Prius competitor it got similar mileage. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/22 "2019-12-13T15:57:17Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > At the time it wasn’t, really, because they were the only two hybrids on the road Are you talking about the first Prius sold in the USA . . . the rather small sedan, which looked a lot like a Toyota Echo or Yaris . . . ? > [@texases](#): > > It doesn’t seem Honda had anything special. Once they built a direct Prius competitor it got similar mileage. I’m not sure I’d call the Civic Hybrid a “direct Prius competitor” . . . one was a mild hybrid, while the other wasn’t Even though they were both hybrids, they weren’t using the same exact hybrid technology Perhaps somebody else can explain this better than I can . . . ?! ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/23 "2019-12-13T16:25:00Z")
> [@shadowfax](#): > > Which is a sad decline for Honda considering how much better the Insight was than the Prius in the early days. Could u be specific - from Edmunds: 2010 Prius: 51 / 48 / 50 mpg 2010 Insight 40 / 43 / 41 mpg ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/24 "2019-12-13T16:34:06Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > You’re certainly entitled to your opinion > > We have Civic Hybrids and Priuses of the same vintage in our fleet > > In my opinion . . . based on my experience as a long-time professional mechanic . . . the Civic Hybrid was a big pile of . . . well, I’m sure you know what I mean > > The fuel economy was pretty good, but not much better than a regular Civic > > And the Civic Hybrid batteries were a cruel joke > > The Prius was so much better in many ways Could you be specific - give examples? A m/c told me that his wife’s Prius was fine but a client had the touch screen failing - replacement came from Toyota was expensive and wiping out the savings on gas. He also added after 2005, the ICE engine isn’t great. This m/c was awesome in his work and integrity ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/25 "2019-12-13T16:39:51Z")
Again, what does a failed touch screen have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/26 "2019-12-13T16:41:09Z")
> [@texases](#): > > Again, what does a failed touch screen have to do with anything? Reliability and Financial sense. M/c said customer complained that the reliability issue wiped the gas savings and made Prius a bad investment! ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/27 "2019-12-13T16:43:44Z")
I guess. I’d then say that the Prius overall is one of the most reliable cars on the road. Bad luck for the failed screen, meaningless in the overall analysis. ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/28 "2019-12-13T17:06:07Z")
> [@sciconf](#): > > This m/c was awesome in his work and integrity Then why are you asking unknown strangers ? You do realize there are Forums just for Prius owners . I also say the touch screen has nothing at all to do with the reliability because that can be a problem on any brand. ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/29 "2019-12-13T17:18:00Z")
If an aspect of a car is unreliable, then its a deal breaker for me. Cars are made to withstand Hot and Cold weather - and vibration. It goes through rigorous testing. If a component can last only a couple of years and parts are sold at premium then its a deal breaker for me. Why would a touch screen cost ten times more than a tablet? They could have left at a USB C interface so people can bring their own device. Why would radio needs to be controlled via the touch screen? ---
**Author:** ![VOLVO-V70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@VOLVO-V70](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VOLVO-V70)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/30 "2019-12-13T17:23:39Z")
> [@sciconf](#): > > If an aspect of a car is unreliable, then its a deal breaker for me. Then you may be a candidate for leasing the cheapest thing you can find for three years and then do it again . You can’t compare a mass produced tablet to an in dash integrated touch screen system in a vehicle . And if you don’t want problems then you should avoid complicated vehicles which Hybrid of any brand is. ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/31 "2019-12-13T17:29:45Z")
> [@VOLVO\_V70](#): > > You can’t compare a mass produced tablet to an in dash integrated touch screen system in a vehicle . And if you don’t want problems then you should avoid complicated vehicles which Hybrid of any brand is. I believe its called “think outside the box” ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/32 "2019-12-13T19:45:29Z")
I’m mainly talking about the hybrid battery technology . . . Prius was miles ahead of Civic Hybrid, in terms of reliability and longevity you and I seem to be on a different wavelength You seem to focusing on the touch screen, whereas I’m focusing on the hybrid battery technology ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/33 "2019-12-13T20:06:33Z")
> [@Cavell](#): > > it does have a cvt trans it does not, it has much more simple and reliable transmission, you can get a great explanation here for example: https://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?list=PLIn3FrDiB1lyzmzZNBM24V_FsyuDx8ow_&wmode=transparent&rel=0&autohide=1&showinfo=1&enablejsapi=1 ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/34 "2019-12-13T20:08:14Z")
> [@texases](#): > > what does a failed touch screen have to do with anything? considering Prius has touchscreen to control HVAC and radio, it’s quite important to have it working I’m praying for my 14-years old one not to fail ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/35 "2019-12-13T20:13:22Z")
Did a quick search on prius touchscreen repair, $299 fflat rate with a 1 year warranty. ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/36 "2019-12-13T20:38:03Z")
> [@thegreendrag0n](#): > > it does not, it has much more simple and reliable transmission, you can get a great explanation here for example: Pls don’t get confused with Transaxle Vs MotorGenerator - here it is - there are more links online: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfaFjHTOboc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfaFjHTOboc) [https://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=toyota+prius+motor+generator+](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=toyota+prius+motor+generator+) ---
**Author:** ![sciconf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sciconf](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sciconf)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/37 "2019-12-13T20:38:33Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > Did a quick search on prius touchscreen repair, $299 fflat rate with a 1 year warranty. Link please ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/38 "2019-12-13T20:41:35Z")
> [@sciconf](#): > > Pls don’t get confused with Transaxle Vs MotorGenerator I’m not getting confused 🙂 The thing is so amazingly simple (thus RELIABLE) on mechanical side. The complexity was moved to the electronic controls, which Toyota sem to get right too. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/39 "2019-12-13T20:58:15Z")
> [@db4690](#): > > Are you talking about the first Prius sold in the USA . . . the rather small sedan, Oh man, I’d forgotten about that one. No, I was talking about the first hatchback that people actually bought. 😉 Though I checked and my MPG numbers were low by about 10 – still the same points, though, vs the first-gen Insight. > [@sciconf](#): > > 2010 Prius: 51 / 48 / 50 mpg > 2010 Insight 40 / 43 / 41 mpg Yeah, the Prius beats the Insight now, but that wasn’t true in the early days. I’m talking about 1999/2000-era hybrids. > [@sciconf](#): > > If an aspect of a car is unreliable, then its a deal breaker for me. Then there are no cars which are suitable for you. Pretty much all cars have something that tends to go wrong more frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Mikedrives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Mikedrives](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mikedrives)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582/40 "2019-12-15T04:03:33Z")
Our Prius was great. Went 191,000 miles with 1 or 2 small repairs, just brakes and oil changes and recommended maintenance. The main battery started dying, slowly, and i looked into replacing it, but we decided to get a new all-electric car instead. For those small repairs, I got parts and advice from AutoBeYours in Indiana- Prius salvage guy who knows them in and out and saved me lotsa money and time. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/end-of-life-for-typical-prius-compared-to-an-ice/154582.md?page=3)