# Electric car observations **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 30, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066 "2021-08-30T05:00:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/22 "2021-09-01T03:29:12Z")
Nice joke, but I might drive one someday, just in case you want a new way to eat a pineapple, [eat pineapple - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=eat+pineapple&rlz=1CAYFOO_enUS948US948&oq=eat+pineapple&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l9.28056j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_j_MuYfyTMc6OwbkP74-JmAU24) ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/23 "2021-09-01T04:43:30Z")
I’ve never had a problem with Prius drivers. ---
**Author:** ![oldnotdeadyet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a6a055/32.png) [@oldnotdeadyet](https://community.cartalk.com/u/oldnotdeadyet)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/24 "2021-09-01T15:38:12Z")
A 2021 Tesla 3 is rated at 24 kwh/100 miles. To go 100,000 miles would require 1000 charges for a total of 24000 kwh at 13 cents per kwh would cost $3120. ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/25 "2021-09-01T15:53:31Z")
I don’t think anyone is buying a Tesla to save on fuel. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/26 "2021-09-01T16:04:46Z")
> [@oldnotdeadyet](#): > > A 2021 Tesla 3 is rated at 24 kwh/100 miles. To go 100,000 miles would require 1000 charges for a total of 24000 kwh at 13 cents per kwh would cost $3120. And a car that gets 30mpg will cost you $10,000 in gas ---
**Author:** ![oldnotdeadyet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a6a055/32.png) [@oldnotdeadyet](https://community.cartalk.com/u/oldnotdeadyet)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/27 "2021-09-01T17:07:58Z")
This comparison is valid until the Tesla needs a new battery or the gasoline engine or tranny needs work. Which is most likely? ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/28 "2021-09-01T17:14:47Z")
> [@oldnotdeadyet](#): > > This comparison is valid until the Tesla needs a new battery or the gasoline engine or tranny needs work. Which is most likely? Says who? Their batteries are designed to last 300-500 thousand miles. And based on everything I’ve read - most are achieving that. A vehicle that properly maintained should also last the 300k mile mark without replacing an engine or tranny. We’ve kept past vehicles past 300k miles with ZERO engine or tranny issues. ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/29 "2021-09-01T17:30:03Z")
What Tesla has 300,000 miles? ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/31 "2021-09-01T18:09:46Z")
> [@old\_mopar\_guy](#): > > My daughter thinks my 62 Caddy is a " monstrosity". I’m sure she meant that it should have been a 1964 with the rocket 429 engine. ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/32 "2021-09-01T18:53:40Z")
I much prefer the 390 with the 4 speed dual coupling hydramatic to the 429 with a thm400. ---
**Author:** ![asemaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@asemaster](https://community.cartalk.com/u/asemaster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/33 "2021-09-01T19:57:42Z")
> [@old\_mopar\_guy](#): > > I much prefer the 390 with the 4 speed dual coupling hydramatic to the 429 with a thm400. I had a 61 Sedan for a little while, I always liked the 390 and the Hydramatic. But I never really liked the styling of the 61-62, a little too plain for me. I never did get a hold of the 64 I always wanted, but put a lot of miles on the 70 Coupe I had later on. ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/34 "2021-09-01T20:05:39Z")
> [@Scrapyard-John](#): > > What Tesla has 300,000 miles? Here’s one - [Here’s how a Tesla Model S holds up after 400,000 miles in 3 years - Electrek](https://electrek.co/2018/07/17/tesla-model-s-holds-up-400000-miles-3-years/) And another. [Tesla Model S World-Record Holder Will Soon Pass 750,000 Miles (insideevs.com)](https://insideevs.com/news/449156/tesla-model-s-far-exceeds-one-million-miles/) ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/35 "2021-09-01T20:09:08Z")
> [@Scrapyard-John](#): > > What Tesla has 300,000 miles? Accurately testing the longevity of a battery can easily be done in a lab setting. It’s done all the time. ---
**Author:** ![circuitsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/circuitsmith/32/40376_2.png) [@circuitsmith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/circuitsmith)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/36 "2021-09-01T20:21:44Z")
Back to my original point: > [@circuitsmith](#): > > study that compared the initial cost of a battery to the cost of electricity to recharge it over its life. > In every case of the major battery types (lead acid, nickel, lithium) the battery cost was higher And another example: > [@oldnotdeadyet](#): > > To go 100,000 miles would require 1000 charges for a total of 24000 kwh at 13 cents per kwh would cost $3120. A Tesla Model 3 replacement battery costs over $15,000, so that’s nearly half a million miles before you’d spend as much on electricity as the battery cost. $15,000 of gas @ $3/gal & 30mpg = 150,000 miles ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/37 "2021-09-01T20:39:24Z")
impressive… some time before I’ve seen some reports that early Model S was prone to developing an electrical motor whining noise, necessitating replacement, but likely it was taken care of by now (?) as we do not see any flood of these complaints I think some time before people were too scared of hybrids falling apart with battery as the first suspect, yet it did not happen on the scale people feared, so it will likely take some time for EVs to be dropped from the suspect list I bet ---
**Author:** ![Scrapyard-John](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Scrapyard-John](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Scrapyard-John)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/38 "2021-09-01T22:31:02Z")
On the first one with 400k miles, does the article not say the battery pack was replaced twice…. If so, that one isn’t a good indicator that the battery will last 3-500k miles. ---
**Author:** ![Nevada\_545](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/nevada_545/32/41232_2.png) [@Nevada\_545](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Nevada_545)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/39 "2021-09-01T22:52:00Z")
The Model S with 750,000 miles; _“As we previously stated, these miles are not all on the original motor and battery. In fact, by November 2019, Gemmingen had gone through four motors and three battery packs.”_ ---
**Author:** ![thegreendrag0n](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thegreendrag0n/32/9265_2.png) [@thegreendrag0n](https://community.cartalk.com/u/thegreendrag0n)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/40 "2021-09-02T01:38:21Z")
that changes a math … a little bit (?) 200-250K miles per battery a some shy of 200K miles per motor? it seems to be in a ballpark of the gasoline powered counterparts, although some of them can probably go twice as long mileage-wise and cost twice as low to replace the drive-train when needed ---
**Author:** ![old\_mopar\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6bbea6/32.png) [@old\_mopar\_guy](https://community.cartalk.com/u/old_mopar_guy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/41 "2021-09-02T21:46:20Z")
Nobody buying these cars is a) keeping them for ten years or B) buying $40,000 or $90,000 cars to save a few bucks on fuel. ---
**Author:** ![circuitsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/circuitsmith/32/40376_2.png) [@circuitsmith](https://community.cartalk.com/u/circuitsmith)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066/42 "2021-09-02T23:20:13Z")
> [@old\_mopar\_guy](#): > > Nobody buying these cars is a) keeping them for ten years or > B) buying $40,000 or $90,000 cars to save a few bucks on fuel. I agree with what you’re saying. However, you don’t seem to understand the point I was making, which does not relate to what you’ve said above. You’re reading something into my post that’s just not there. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/electric-car-observations/179066.md?page=3)