“I’m tired of watching the economy struggle, small businesses suffer, large businesses shut down plants and lay off employees…”
Up to this point, that’s capitalism at work. And if you are referring to the late 2000s recession, its cause was not anything that Obama did, and blaming him for the length is just plain silly.
@Mountainbike: “…do you think ramping the military spending downward even further and shifting the dollars to Obamacare will result in a safer world?”
No, I don’t, but I also don’t think our security depends on giving the military a blank check to spend our tax dollars on obsolete aircraft and other items that aren’t going to make us any safer. Sorry, but if there is any lesson to be learned from September 11, it is that a lack of military spending was not what made us unsafe. Incompetence at the highest levels in spite of the fact that we were outspending all of our potential enemies combined is what has made us unsafe.
Please stop using national security as a political football. We can stand to significantly cut our military budget without putting anyone in danger, especially now that we’re out of Iraq, where we should have never been.
@Same ,hope we can learn to protect ourselves from solar EMP,the results could be very real and completely diastarious-didnt mean to say we dont need defense,but we could probaly be safe without things like the JSF-imo-Kevin
I’m not. I’m referring only to the damage being done specifically by the ACA. And other asinine expenditures Obama has made, like the $4Billion “cash for clunkers”, and the request by the IRS for a 1.6Billion budget increase specifically for their part in Obamacare, and the use of hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to prop up GM. And if you think we got that back, the CBO disagrees.
And with the massive intervention in 23% of the economy by this Act, it is ridiculous to say this is capitalism at work causing the problem.
By the way, do you recall who promised during his campaign that he would solve the deficit in his first three years in office? Yes, it IS fair to blame him for the current continuing poor economy. It’s time you begin to accept that THIS IS HIS ECONOMY. Even he has stopped blaming Bush.
The so called " downward military spending " down to pre war numbers is no more then getting out of two wars. If you rather we remain in two wars or start buying more esoteric weaponry, fine. I would rather pay for infrastructure which IMHO, is more in line with national defense. Infrastructure improvements has been dissed by house every year it came up as a package with over 60% percent of the incentives for economic improvement were in the form of tax cuts. Again, dissed by the Koch Bro. Financed, Tea Party wing of the House.
I have a friend who was railing against Obamacare while complaining that his daughter had been sick for two weeks and couldn’t afford to go to a doctor. Why dosen’t she just sign up and go in ? Hell no. She hates Obama !
I reminded him that my neighbor’s uninsured daughter let an illness go too far and was left in a emergency room for six hours before she finally died in an operating table of an illness she let go being uninsured herself. Her father is a millionaire several times over. Hey are all anti Obama. How this crap happens, is beyond me. My other conservative anti Obamacare neighbor now owes $30k as his emergency room uninsured visit now means his friends are trying to have drive to pay for it while he tries to avoid bankruptcy on his wife’s income with two small uninsured toddlers while he is between jobs. Sweet ! ( sarcasm)
Another liberal friend spoke up and said…sure, let her and everyone prove Obamacare doesn’t work. She and everyone can just die, that will show she can do without it. IMHO, the lack of doing the obvious in doing this and everything that even conservatives have supported in the past is just what it appears on the surface.
Cash for clunkers,what a joke,thinking about it makes me want to choke.
Obamacare has one redeeming virtue as I understand it,anyone care to step up and say ,what the virtue is?(IMO that is)-Kevin
If he does have a redeeming virtue, I’ll be damned if I can see it.
He certainly hasn’t kept his promises (below) made during his first campaign.
He hasn’t eliminated the deficit; quite the opposite.
He hasn’t created a more open government; as evidenced by “if you want to know what’s in it [rthe ACA] vote for it” (quoted from NancyPelosi); quite the opposite.
He hasn’t made a more honest government; can you spell “Benghazi”?
He hasn’t "brought the houses of congress together; quite the opposite.
He certainly hasn’t improved foreign relations; I cannot think of a single one of our former allies that he hasn’t pissed off. Okay, perhaps England. Although they haven’t been supporting him in his recent adventures.
He certainly hasn’t made the world safer; as a result of his foreign affairs, and his balancing the budget on the backs of the military, the world is becoming far more dangerous. Don’t for a moment think that Putin and Kim Young Un haven’t noticed the military cutbacks.
Oh, yeah, and he hasn’t provided health insurance for ANYONE; he’s simply forcing them to buy it for themselves… and driving up the copays and the cost of the policies.
Things were so much better when Cheney was president.
Mountainbike you need to fact-check most of the garbage you post before you hit the “Post” button…Obama was elected by landslides twice…You can post all the right-wing talking-points you want but you can’t change that fact. The New Americans don’t share your far-right world-view. Come 2016, you are likely to learn that lesson AGAIN…WASP’s doom themselves with their 1.6 birthrate…
I somehow knew E-85 couldn’t pull 158 posts…A car designed to run on E-85 exclusively could utilize 14 to 1, 15 to 1 compression and take advantage of the 110 octane rating of that fuel, eliminating the lost mileage…It’s really a waste to burn alcohol in a 9 to 1 compression engine…But it does extend our nations fuel supplies and reduces our reliance on imported oil…
@cdaquila, please close this thread. It has degenerated too far to be a worthwhile discussion again.
The second one was not a landslide. Obama had 50.6% and Romney had 47.8% (third party candidates had 1.6%. You need to check your facts before hitting the “Post” button.
Romney was a lousy candidate. I cannot argue that. Obama’s strength is campaigning. I cannot argue that either.
We’ll see in 2016. It’s too early to even know who the candidates will be. Word on the street is that Biden would like the democratic nomination, but lacks support in the party.
“The New Americans”? Are you suggesting that we “old americans” who fought in wars for this country don’t count? We grew up in and lived in much more economically prosperous and much safer times, when this country was a world leader, when other countries feared our wrath… and that kept peace in the world. Ayatollah Khomeini released the American hostages on the very day that Reagan took the oath of office, January 20th, 1981, for a reason. He knew the “party” was over. Carter tried negotiating and one half-hearted rescue attempt which ended in a crashed helo and dead soldiers because he didn’t send in enough forces… he has publically said he regrets that. Regan’s philosophies were totally the opposite. He negotiated through strength, not through naiveté. You “New Americans” grew up with a free ride, provided by us old Americans. I hope you never have to learn some of the lessons we had to learn, but I hope you DO get to see prosperity and peace… but in all honesty, your philosophies aren’t likely to treat you to that.
You support gutting the military, than I’m afraid you’ll have to live with the consequences.
I’d say there is a fair share of blame to spread between Obama and Congress, especially since Congress refuses to pass a jobs bill and has blocked much of what Obama has proposed. Annual deficits are shrinking, but again, there is reason for the White House and Congress to share responsibility for that since it is a matter of apparent compromise between the two. If Congress had its way, we’d balance the budget by cutting food stamps and other aid to the poor while refusing to cut tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. We aren’t going to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, no matter how much the GOP demonizes them by calling them lazy takers.
@Caddyman, to be fair, Obama didn’t win by a landslide either time. He won by a landslide in terms of the electoral college, but the popular vote was pretty close in both elections.
@jtsanders, I think @cdaquila is MIA, and has been for at least the past several days.
@mountainbike, in terms of uniting Washington, keep in mind that after Obama was elected, before he even took office, top Republicans met to discuss the strategy of blocking EVERY one of his legislative initiatives, so although you’d like to blame Obama for the disunity in Washington, I would like to remind you Republicans were in power in the mid 1990s when they shortened the work week in Congress. That meant congresspeople spent less time together and widened the partisan divide. It wasn’t the Democrats’ idea to disband the bipartisan softball league, which was a sign of the end of civility and compromise in Congress. The last time both parties worked together consistently was when Reagan and Bush were in the White House and the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress.
Do us a favor and turn off cable news for a while while you find a way to deal with your anger issues. Both parties are to blame for the topic of this thread: farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, and a lack of energy independence. Actually, Obama has done more to make us energy independent than any president since the gas crisis during the Nixon years, but I agree he’s not going about it the right way. McCain ran on “drill, baby, drill,” but Obama has opened up more land for oil drilling than Bush did in eight years in office, but not one Republican dares give him credit for it.
I’ll add a personal gripes about Obama . . . and I’m a liberal, for crying out loud!
Obama is bad for the environment . . . think fracking, Alaska oil pipeline, etc.
He didn’t close Guantanamo Bay
He deported far more people than Bush could have dreamed of
He canceled the space shuttle program
Typical hypocrite politician, in other words
I just thought of a few more . . .
Obama let Netanyahu dress him down, just like a teacher scolds a bad student
Obama cozied up to Medvedev, when it was clear that he was a puppet, and Putin was the one with the real power
Remember Medvedev?
Obama wasn’t even savvy enough to cozy up to the guy with the power . . . how funny is that?
That’s like foreign leaders cozying up to Biden. Cheney was a vice president with power. Biden is not.
LOL
@Whitey, I’m here. I can’t cover 100% of the traffic all the time, but I do respond to summons via the @. I’m closing the discussion because @jtsanders is right.