# E-15 year-round!

**URL:** <https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [October 10, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534 "2018-10-10T21:56:12Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 14\
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**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/21 "2018-10-11T21:41:25Z")

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> [@RandomTroll](#):
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> Aren’t those guys motorheads?

They are motorheads who who don’t give a flying rodent’s posterior that E15 is available at the pumps. Makes no difference to them at all. They don’t use it nor care that it exists.

> [@RandomTroll](#):
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> Isn’t the 104 octane at the Imperial on the corner of Indian School & Juan Tabo ethanol?

Where in the heck is that? And if it is 104 octane, it isn’t road fuel, it is race fuel.

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**Author:** ![RandomTroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/randomtroll/32/12184_2.png) [@RandomTroll](https://community.cartalk.com/u/RandomTroll)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/22 "2018-10-12T03:52:36Z")

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> [@Mustangman](#):
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> Where in the heck is that?

Albuquerque.

> [@Mustangman](#):
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> if it is 104 octane, it isn’t road fuel, it is race fuel.

Aren’t the purchasers motorheads? Isn’t it ethanol?

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**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/23 "2018-10-12T13:52:19Z")

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> [@RandomTroll](#):
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> Aren’t the purchasers motorheads? Isn’t it ethanol?

Yes and no. E85 race fuel is an estimated 99 octane. That’s why I know it isn’t race E85.

It is likely Sunoco 260 race gasoline, or similar with an octane rating of 104. Not subject to the sales restrictions of road fuel because it is not E15 road fuel.

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**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/24 "2018-10-12T14:09:47Z")

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Isn’t this really the Premier Gas and Food Mart at 1734 Juan Tabo Blvd?

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**Author:** ![RandomTroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/randomtroll/32/12184_2.png) [@RandomTroll](https://community.cartalk.com/u/RandomTroll)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/25 "2018-10-12T18:02:34Z")

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> [@jtsanders](#):
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> Isn’t this really the Premier Gas and Food Mart at 1734 Juan Tabo Blvd?

That sounds like the right number. I pass by on the shared-use trail on the north side of Indian School. I only know it by the cross street. I don’t buy 104 octane. I don’t see any airplanes fueling up there; I assume some motorist is burning it.

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**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/26 "2018-10-12T18:58:03Z")

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I used to run that Sunoco stuff in one of my hot rods. It loved it. Nothing smells quite so sweet to me as high octane fuel, partially unburned…  
😄

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**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/27 "2018-10-12T20:45:36Z")

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A “wet” idle with a Holley carb and race gas… Smells like a race day in the morning! 🤩

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**Author:** ![Rainflurry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cab0a1/32.png) [@Rainflurry](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rainflurry)\
**Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/28 "2018-10-12T23:59:32Z")

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> [@Mustangman](#):
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> Indycars burn 100% ethanol

In US races, it’s 98% ethanol/2% gasoline. 100% ethanol would be drinkable and that’s illegal in the US. I think some races in other countries allow 100% ethanol, but not here.

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**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/29 "2018-10-13T00:46:56Z")

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> [@Mustangman](#):
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> A “wet” idle with a Holley carb and race gas…

That deserves multiple likes!

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**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/30 "2018-10-13T01:09:24Z")

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Followed a '70ish Corvette a few weeks ago. The smell took me back to the Sohio gas station in high school, boss worked on lots of Vettes.

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**Author:** ![RandomTroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/randomtroll/32/12184_2.png) [@RandomTroll](https://community.cartalk.com/u/RandomTroll)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/31 "2018-10-13T21:48:55Z")

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> [@Rainflurry](#):
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> 100% ethanol would be drinkable and that’s illegal in the US.

100% isn’t drinkable because you have to remove water to get ethanol past 95% (the azeotrope, why _Everclear_ is 190 proof) which leaves behind traces of the drying agents, which are poisonous. It’d also be a waste because it would absorb water from the atmosphere until it reached 95%. And it’d be expensive.

We denature alcohol to make it legally undrinkable, though not actually undrinkable. You can drink enough mouthwash (43 proof) to get drunk without killing yourself; I’ve had less-tasty cocktails.

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**Author:** ![shanonia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@shanonia](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shanonia)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/32 "2018-10-13T21:55:58Z")

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If there’s ethanol in our gasoline during the summer, will it damage small engines like lawn mowers and chain saws - especially old engines? My lawn mower is a 1967 Lawn Boy 2 cycle.

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**Author:** ![Rainflurry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cab0a1/32.png) [@Rainflurry](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rainflurry)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/33 "2018-10-13T23:02:50Z")

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Good info Troll. Especially, the tip on mouthwash:wink: When I did my senior design project back in college, I researched the impact of E95 on fuel economy, emissions, etc. by converting a vehicle off a dealer lot directly to E95. I assume E95 is still commercially available.

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**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/e-15-year-round/126534/34 "2018-10-13T23:23:39Z")

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Industrial ethanol is denatured with methanol or isopropanol, and I wouldn’t drink a drop of that stuff. Very dangerous.

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