# Doncha hate it when dis happens? (Front wheel comes off) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 13, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631 "2025-12-13T05:02:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/21 "2025-12-15T23:46:01Z")
I used to have a small sign in my office with this message: The beatings will continue until morale improves My colleagues got a few chuckles from that very appropriate message. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 1:39am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/22 "2025-12-16T01:39:34Z")
I will say though anything involving money, at least two people involved. At church it was four people opening and counting plus the secretary. If there was an error, it was an honest error. Yeah we were taken to the cleaners twice that we know of. ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 3:56am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/23 "2025-12-16T03:56:33Z")
Our church worries more about someone breaking in. Has happened more than once with the office safe being targeted. A federal grant paid for security improvements including new and better cameras and alarm. We’re right across from the capitol campus and face more threats than others. Ev charging is coming with solar but the permits take time. Dates back to 1950 with the other wing in 1955 and the chapel addition in the early 8o’s. ![Screenshot_20251215_195837_Maps](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/5/2/526bbfe43f4a331579fcbc7febcb4bb08576ec95.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![MikeInNH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@MikeInNH](https://community.cartalk.com/u/MikeInNH)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 1:09pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/24 "2025-12-16T13:09:55Z")
> [@asemaster](#): > > What’s next? Having another tech double check coolant level? Battery cables? Cylinder head torque? Firestone decided it was in their best interest to implement that program I’d only do it for CRITICAL POINTS OF FAILURE. May not be standard practice in the automotive industry, but rest assured it’s standard practice in most Engineering jobs I’ve had. ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/25 "2025-12-16T14:49:18Z")
I was just getting ready to say the same thing. Risk assessment and mitigation. It all depends on the risk factor calculation; severity of failure mode, probability of occurrence and ability to detect the defect. Certain processes are high risk and deserve additional mitigations. Even then, you might institute a process step like secondary inspection and, over time, it is determined that the probability of the failure is low enough to eliminate the extra mitigation. For an outlier, you might temporarily institute some preventive measures; like double checking Joe (the guy that left lug nuts loose) or sending him to additional training etc. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/26 "2025-12-16T14:59:02Z")
Only 2 or 3 things were double checked, the wheel torque and oil drain plugs and filter tight… Wheel off can cost life(s) and oil outs can cause engines… Way more wheels removed and oil changed than anything else, we just delt with other stuff that happens in the life of a high volume shop… lol… very rare if/when it happened… When I owned my shop, I never had any issues, come backs were almost never, I was known for no come backs… lol I never had left over bolts, nuts or parts after doing engine jobs etc, most of the time I was looking for bolts that had been left out by the last guy(s)… But I also did not rush just to get to the next job… ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/27 "2025-12-16T15:54:02Z")
> [@davesmopar](#): > > I never had left over bolts, nuts or parts When I was about 5 years old, my _Robert The Robo_t toy stopped working, so being a curious kid, I decided to take him apart to see if I could fix him. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/a/9/a983448ec6c1cee096be6a7ad5fea869da09e5d4.jpeg) Although I don’t recall exactly what I did, I did manage to make him work again. After putting him back together again, I noticed that I had a part left over, but since he was working properly, I decided to just let things stay as they were. When my father asked what had been wrong with Robert, my answer was, “He had too many parts, so I removed one”. Yes, I had a strange sense of humor… even then. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/28 "2025-12-16T16:32:50Z")
Just a story that came to mind. A fine line between efficient and hasty. In 76 I bought a 67 Buick wagon for $250 that needed some work when we were building. I had a guy at work go over the upper engine that had obvious valve issues. Cost me $350 but ran fine for a few days until it didn’t. Towed it to the dx station for a look see. He found the cam gear laying in the bottom of the pan. Said it was not properly tightened. No reason to doubt him, used him before, deacon at the local cathedral, etc. and only charged me $80. When I told the guy at work it was deny, deny, but I knew he just works fast. Just missed it. All I ask is to admit it. No big deal, with the work and new tires I still had a good running wagon at much under what it was worth. Just saying, sometimes just stop and have a cup of coffee and do a re-check of your work before buttoning up an engine. Editing my errors for what it’s worth. More coffee. ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/29 "2025-12-16T17:47:35Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > When my father asked what had been wrong with Robert, my answer was, “He had too many parts, so I removed one” Ah, a student of the Earl Muntz design approach! 😄 > [@bing](#): > > Just saying, sometimes just stop and have a cup of coffee and do a re-check of your work before buttoning up an engine. Today, the more complex Lego kits teach kids the value of checking your work. My kid used to get impatient with Dad doing the QA checks at various stages until he had to reverse hours of work to install that critical component he missed while rushing to build it. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 6:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/30 "2025-12-16T18:41:06Z")
Does anyone else hate Lego kits? In the 50s we had the red plastic bricks whatever they were called, to build anything we wanted but no plans, just build what you wanted. One container of bricks to build what you want, not 20 $50 kits with directions. Some fortunate kids had the Lincoln logs too or instead but not me. Nothing against enterprising Swedes to sell abroad what they can’t at home. 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![LoudThunder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/loudthunder/32/27769_2.png) [@LoudThunder](https://community.cartalk.com/u/LoudThunder)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/31 "2025-12-16T18:50:28Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > the legal principle of _Respondeat Superior_ is almost always invoked. Oh how many times have we seen this doctrine ignored or dismissed when the deep pocketed employer (business, municipality, etc…) puts up the “defense” that the employee was operating outside the scope of their duties… and when assigning damages the phrase of “joint and several liability” are separated irreversibly… under the concept that “they were told not to do that…” or “no one told them to do that…” In my home state of Virginia: The court dismissed a lawsuit against a hospital regarding an employee’s alleged ■■■■■■ battery of a patient. It ruled the misconduct was was not done to further the employer’s business interests. [https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2024/06/05/778088.htm](https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2024/06/05/778088.htm) ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/32 "2025-12-16T19:32:40Z")
The brick house here in Olympia sells sets and has instructions if missing but you can scoop out of huge bins to get the little pieces you need. I used to build repair shops with Legos, A really great small local shop. Prices are pretty reasonable too. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/33 "2025-12-17T02:01:16Z")
The mall of America has a Lego store like that but like I said, when I was a kid I had the red plastic bricks that I always ran out of when building. Used your imagination not an instruction book. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/34 "2025-12-17T02:44:22Z")
Just for fun and to waste time. Around new years. I do annual maintenance. Flush the water heater, clean out the softener, change the batteries in all the detectors, key fobs, and remotes. Spent about $40 on batteries. Some use 9v, some triple a, some 2032. So this year I’m updating my list of what takes what. I put in a new opener for the main door so screwed my remotes up. The small door I found is not compatible with the newest remotes so I just need to order a different remote to freshen up the one in the Pontiac. The Acura has the built in remotes that work just fine. Maybe I didn’t say it before but I bought a new opener a few years ago but didn’t put it in because it was not compatible with my multiple door switches. On the net others Also seemed to have the same issue. For anyone interested, my work around is a slave remote wired to the misc. door switches. Push the switch and activates the slave remote that then sends the code to the opener. Works slick. We will have to see if the battery gets used up faster or not. Solder two wires to the switch in the remote is all. Can’t believe chamberlain doesn’t sell this. So that’s the latest news from lake woebegone if anyone is interested. ---
**Author:** ![RandomTroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/randomtroll/32/12184_2.png) [@RandomTroll](https://community.cartalk.com/u/RandomTroll)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 4:33am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/35 "2025-12-21T04:33:40Z")
> [@TwinTurbo](#): > > Ah, a student of the Earl Muntz design approach! He called himself a mad man. > [@davesmopar](#): > > most wheel offs come after a vehicle has been serviced and the wheels removed and the lug nuts were not properly torqued… Last time I bought tires I torqued all the nuts and measured the pressures before I started it up. ---
**Author:** ![LoudThunder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/loudthunder/32/27769_2.png) [@LoudThunder](https://community.cartalk.com/u/LoudThunder)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/36 "2025-12-21T16:36:05Z")
> [@RandomTroll](#): > > Last time I bought tires I torqued all the nuts and measured the pressures before I started it up. Wow, if you have so little faith on the proper installation of the new tires you probably should be shopping elsewhere… Did you also check the manufacture date and lot number on the tires before they were installed to ensure that you were not getting mixed lots and old tires? 🔎 🛞 🙄 ![SeanWsfGIF](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/e/5/e5a6a8e9dd2bf5a5b0995fdc63b645621ce08483.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/37 "2025-12-21T17:29:24Z")
Well, we have one responder that trusts the axle ratings by the manufacturer but not the specified tire pressure. ---
**Author:** ![RandomTroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/randomtroll/32/12184_2.png) [@RandomTroll](https://community.cartalk.com/u/RandomTroll)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/38 "2025-12-21T17:59:49Z")
I would have done it anywhere. I did check the date and lot on the tires too. Previous responders reported suffering from mismounted tires. I had moved to a new city since the last time I bought tires so knew nothing of reputations. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/39 "2025-12-21T19:39:43Z")
Many moons ago when the dealer changed my oil instead of me, I did open the hood in the lot and checked the oil level before the 30 mile trip home. Felt a little foolish doing it. When I get tires though I drive the two miles home first and then check the lug nuts and land the pressure when cool. Normally they want the lugs checked after 50 miles also. Not sure I see the full value of doing it in the shop lot. Really don’t need to check actual at the shop just a Quick Look to see if they are all tight. Things in NM I guess are done differently. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 8:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631/40 "2025-12-21T20:19:48Z")
We didn’t recommend rechecking the lugs unless it is custom wheels and then it was after 100 miles… Our procedure was to install the wheels (stock or custom), run the lugs down with gun on low while using a 50 ft lb torque stick, then lower the vehicle down until the tire(s) just kiss the floor (so no load on them, well not much anyway) and do a final torque to spec, then have it double torqued before backing out and test driving it… [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/doncha-hate-it-when-dis-happens-front-wheel-comes-off/204631.md?page=3)