Could every vehicle engine potentially last forever?

That is pretty much my definition of Rust Belt. If they salt the roads in the winter, that would be my definition of “rust belt”.

@Purebred has the more technically correct “economic” definition.

Generally a look under the car can tell you a lot about where it lived. I live in Florida now but came from Ohio. A 5 year old car from Ohio, Michigan, PA, NY or MA would show significant rust underneath the car. Flakey rust. Kentucky, less so. Tennessee even less and so on.

A 5 year old Florida car (as long as it did not live on a barrier island as previously commented) would have very little rust. I have owned two 10 year old FL cars that show virtually no undercar rust. It makes them VERY easy to work on since I don’t have to fight rusty bolts and nuts.

The 11 year old truck I brought from Ohio started rusting like I was regularly dipping it in the ocean once it got to Florida. The humidity and salt air take a toll. A buddy on the east coast had similar experience with his Mazda brought down from Ohio. It was ready to break in half (as is the frame on my truck) when he bought a new car.

If you favor 50s to 70s classics, buy from Arizona or Nevada. The paint and interiors will be totally roached but the bodies far more solid.

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The first time that the term “rust belt” truly hit home with me was when I drove through Gary, Indiana in the late '70s. The number of abandoned, rusting hulks of factories was disturbingly large. When I again drove through that city in the early '80s, it was even more unsightly.

And, if the appearance of that area wasn’t bad enough, the air quality was so bad that there was a greenish-gray haze hovering over the city.

It wasn’t any better when I drove through in the 2000s either!

How quickly? A look around Cape Canaveral and there are cars 15 - 20 years old, much like the Southwest.

That Cadillac and Impala are more than 2 years old.

Two years for a Honda to have a hole rusted through the roof, is that fast enough for you?

That’s an anomaly and NOT the norm. Wife owned 2 Honda’s (1987 and 1996). Neither one had any rust til well past 10 years and it was still very minor. I live about 15 miles from Lawrence MA where there are a plethora of 10-20 yo Hondas. None have major rust issues.

True, not just Hondas, all makes, that is why rust preventative services such as Ziebart and Rusty Jones are few and far between, pretty much limited to inland areas. Though factory improvements have made many strides, rare to see the rusted hulks of the 70&early 80s.

In theory an engine running with the proper lubricating oil experiences very little or no wear to the bearings, etc. riding in the oil. The oil forms a film that does all the work, preventing metal on metal contact. This is why they say engines experience the most wear at startup. This film requires pressure to develop and once developed, the cam, crank, rod bearings, etc. do not really wear. Theoretically an engine could be run forever in a test bed. One could develop a system to slowly change fluids like coolant and oil with the engine running. One could remove small amounts of oil while adding. This wouldn’t be efficient as there would be a lot of wasted oil by doing this. One would need to use about 3x the normal change for the oil to be “mostly” new and clean with such a system but the engine could stay running. The same could be done with a filter. Install two or more in parallel and isolate the one needing change with a valve on each side. Replace filter, add fluids to makup for lost, then open valves again. Then repeat the process for the other filter.

The parts being lubricated by oil would likely last basically forever in such a scenario. There are parts that will wear no matter what. There is vibration and mechanical stress. Valves wear over time which is natural and unavoidable no matter the maintenance. Metal fatigues over time. Eventually stuff will break like a paper clip you bend back and forth until it snaps. Then there are gaskets and seals. Some of those may wear after a while. I suspect head gaskets and such would fare well in such a test as I am sure a lot of the wear on them is due to heat cycling when the engine is shut off and parts cool and contract, then expand when used and heated up again.

If you switched the engine to natural gas or propane, that would help as well. I have done this to a few small engines and besides a slight derating in power, is by far the way to go! With something not run all the time, you don’t have to worry about gumming up. Also, they burn far cleaner! I mean like so clean you don’t even know they have been run. I am used to changing a generator’s oil at least once per day. The manual states to go 100 hours which I feel is too long. That would be about 6000 miles in a car driven 60mph. For a modern fuel injected car that is fine but not an air-cooled carbureted engine…. Anyway, I decided to try for 50 hours on propane. The next time I changed the oil it looked like it did when it went into the engine! The difference was night and day. I figure next time I will go 75-100 hours if the outage lasts that long.

Then there are engine accessories that all wear. Eventually the engine would HAVE to be shut off for spark plug changes and other maintenance but in theory, you could probably keep an engine running for a very long time if done in a controlled environment with endless fuel and a controlled change method like I explained where a small amount of fluids are removed and added while the unit is running.

Dust coming in through the air-filter is another major source of wear. Filter air to “clean room” specs before feeding it into the engine and that would be even better! Push mowers that are run in dusty grass and leaves are always nasty when I change the oil. Not so much on generators and pressure washers, especially if run on LPG as I mentioned… They don’t work in such dusty environments.

This might not work on some engines as well as others. Some have design flaws that require repair or replacement, no matter how well the engine is cared for.

In real-world use, it is often the body or some other component that rots away or lets go before the engine… My 1997 F250 went off with an engine that seemed to run pretty well although I do think it was starting to lose a little compression after all those years and miles. The body was pretty rotted and a lot of other stuff was just about worn out, never mind the ruined transfer case!

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Here is the context for that discussion:

Lawrence, MA is 20-25 miles from the ocean as the crow flies. Not much salt spray from the ocean happening there.

And he’s talking about in the past:

Stop requiring inspections and see how many rusted out cars are running around after that. What we see are the survivors…

Ever hear of ROAD SALT? Far more damaging than Ocean spray salt.

Starting in 2026 or may it’s 2027 - NH will no longer have vehicle inspections. We’ll see. Vehicles don’t rust out like they did 40 years ago. Far better manufacturing techniques and materials that help prevent that.

16yrs and counting for moms 2010 prius in the pnw, still like new getting 50+ mpg. Serviced on 5k-7K Intervals from new

How many miles on it?

110,000 Miles, put 500mi on a road trip but normally driven approx 10!miles a day.

My Dodge Stratus had 110,000 miles when I bought the car 25 years ago, a car can last as long as you choose, you decide when to give up.

I’m careful not to park too close to the ocean. :wink:

My aumt bought a 88 Honda CRX Hf brand ne,w, At 245,000!mi in 2006 ir still was running well but the body behind the seats had rust issues. Pulled some loose ttrim and the outside of the rear wheelwell was visible. Would have kept.it.if not for the rust from living on both coasts. A Tpypta !Matrix rbecame her new car

What bout salt flats?

How much good does a pre-luber do?