# Car. Fires **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** porsche\ **Created:** [February 19, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581 "2022-02-19T14:40:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/21 "2022-02-22T16:44:41Z")
Another loss estimate places it at $335 million. OUCH! [Estimated loss from cargo ship fire rises to $335 million, report says | Automotive News (autonews.com)](https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/estimated-loss-cargo-ship-fire-rises-335-million-report-says) ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/22 "2022-02-22T16:48:45Z")
The article doesn’t make it clear as to whose losses are whose. I think it’s _possible_ that the total loss is $335 million, and that after insurance is factored-in, VW will lose an estimated $155 million. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/23 "2022-02-22T20:40:49Z")
It seems to me that Mitsubishi OSK Lines may be responsible for much of the losses if the fire wasn’t a result of the cargo catching fire first. ---
**Author:** ![wavyonwheels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wavyonwheels/32/17969_2.png) [@wavyonwheels](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wavyonwheels)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/24 "2022-02-25T17:43:09Z")
Maybe silly question, but why not close the hatches and just starve the fire of oxygen? ---
**Author:** ![SteveCBT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/stevecbt/32/3192_2.png) [@SteveCBT](https://community.cartalk.com/u/SteveCBT)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/25 "2022-02-25T19:29:09Z")
Cargo holds especially for cars can be huge. They have many access points and ventilation. Think of a large enclosed parking garage and trying to button everything up. Google ship fire with car carriers and you will see a lot of pictures that give a perspective of the size ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/26 "2022-02-25T19:39:21Z")
Exactly. Adding to the problem is that a large number of the cars had lithium ion batteries, which are extremely hard to extinguish once they catch fire. ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/27 "2022-02-25T19:51:52Z")
Another problem is getting to the hatches. See @SteveCBT’s first comment above about the stairwells acting as furnaces. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/28 "2022-02-25T19:53:24Z")
Yeah, they’re not going to risk crewmen to save some expensive cars. Abandon ship, let it burn. ---
**Author:** ![andyw77\_155343](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@andyw77\_155343](https://community.cartalk.com/u/andyw77_155343)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/29 "2022-02-25T22:03:32Z")
The ship was pretty far from Rhode Island; I read they hope to tow it to a European port as it is too large for the Azores, which it is near. ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 7:24am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/30 "2022-02-26T07:24:22Z")
A floating multistory parking garage, I’ve seen a video of one that ships Mini and Rolls Royce Ghost’s along with heavy equipment and it’s a carefully orchestrated procedure to get everything loaded in the right order. ![inside-a-roll-on-roll-off-shipping-vessle-2-e1601868329509](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/d/9/d9b2dca5e535122bb27ec236f20aaa10969993d4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![wavyonwheels](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wavyonwheels/32/17969_2.png) [@wavyonwheels](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wavyonwheels)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/31 "2022-02-26T18:02:43Z")
I had envisioned there being a hatch on the out side that could be closed but then I am not a sailor . ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 8:21am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/32 "2022-02-27T08:21:38Z")
Video walkthrough inside a similar ship, this one with a load of Kia’s onboard. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/1/9/19c7186f1e04c7535ebf34d80ba60f0ced14c3cc.jpeg "Roro Ship car vessel tour and walk around inside a Glovis roro ship car supply chain Felicity Ace") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzrHJp7csxA) ---
**Author:** ![bloody\_knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@bloody\_knuckles](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bloody_knuckles)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/33 "2022-02-27T14:03:17Z")
As someone who works in logistics I can add a little detail to the issue of losses. When a disaster, such as fire, strikes on board a vessel the vessel owner can declare “general average”. Basically everyone with cargo on board now has to pay for the damage to the vessel. Those without marine cargo insurance covering their cargo are entitled to $500 per shipping unit (per car in this case) and must post a bond or cash pending the general average subrogation, which can take as long as 10 years. Please don’t tell my how unfair this is. The back of every bill of lading has thousands of words in fine print that outlines the carrier’s limit of liability. It is a legal contract of carriage and it dictates the $500 limit because that is what the Carriage of Ocean Goods by Sea Act (COGSA) stipulates. If you cover your cargo with a marine cargo insurance policy then you get back the covered amount and the insurance company deals with general average. All of this is no different then shipping a small package by UPS, FedEx, or USPS. They all ask you if you want insurance on your package. If you decline then the carrier will only pay you up to their limit of liability (very little) and you have no recourse to ask or sue for more. Carriers are around to make money transporting your goods. None of them offer any implied guaranty regarding loss or damage to your cargo beyond whatever regulatory requirement is dictated. I am reasonably sure that automotive companies carry a blanket marine insurance cargo policy, as do most regular shippers of international cargo. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/34 "2022-03-01T16:17:38Z")
Forget about getting ‘fire sale’ Porsches, Lambos, and Bentleys. The ship sank. ---
**Author:** ![SteveCBT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/stevecbt/32/3192_2.png) [@SteveCBT](https://community.cartalk.com/u/SteveCBT)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/35 "2022-03-01T20:04:04Z")
> **[Cargo ship carrying 4,000 cars sinks in Atlantic Ocean](https://www.foxnews.com/auto/cargo-ship-4000-cars-sinks)** > > The Felicity Ace cargo ship has sunk as it was being towed to land. The car carrier caught fire on Feb. 16 with 4,000 vehicles onboard. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/36 "2022-03-01T20:05:56Z")
It would make a good heist movie if it was actually in good shape and being towed to a secret island… ---
**Author:** ![jtsanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@jtsanders](https://community.cartalk.com/u/jtsanders)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/37 "2022-03-01T21:50:48Z")
It someone can recover the ship they can sell all the vehicles as flood salvage, or fire salvage, or both. How do we work pestilence into this? 😄 ---
**Author:** ![eddo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/eddo/32/2594_2.png) [@eddo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/eddo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/38 "2022-03-01T22:03:13Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > Maybe the real question isnhouwnmuchndo you trust Porsche and VW? I woulda trusted these cars about as much as I would a new VW/Porsche with no smoke, water, or fire damage: not very much 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pyrolord314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6a8cbe/32.png) [@pyrolord314](https://community.cartalk.com/u/pyrolord314)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581/39 "2022-03-01T22:03:46Z")
> [@jtsanders](#): > > How do we work pestilence into this? 😄 I mean…we are in an ongoing global pandemic 🤷🏻‍♂️ [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/car-fires/182581.md?page=1)