# Can my '84 cutlass run without an oil pump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Maintenance/Repairs\ **Created:** [September 16, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220 "2014-09-16T21:17:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bum4evr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@bum4evr](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bum4evr)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/1 "2014-09-16T21:17:07Z")
The part that appears in the pic I have attached to this post has been making a lot of noise lately - ping, bang, knock etc… but the car has driven fine for a few months like that. but today it seized up causing the belt to smoke and make a squealing noise - I was stuck in a parking lot so I just cut the belt off and drove home - now the car runs great - it no longer makes noise and I was watching the gauges and seems like no difference at all during my 5 mile trip home. So my question to you car pros is - how important is that part? I’m low income in a ghetto apartment so money is tight and getting money for car repairs is hard right now - I assume that part is an oil pump and don’t oil pumps just circulate oil just to clean it through the filter or is there something I am missing? Can I safely run the car without that part? Thx for your help. Sean G ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/2 "2014-09-16T21:22:33Z")
That’s not the oil pump. That’s the air injection pump for emissions. Who told you it was the oil pump? ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/3 "2014-09-16T21:24:26Z")
Yep, air pump, your car won’t likely miss it, and at its age I imagine it’s not going to be emissions tested. If you’re strapped for cash I’d just keep driving. ---
**Author:** ![Rod-Knox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Rod-Knox](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Rod-Knox)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/4 "2014-09-16T21:34:59Z")
When the AIR pump fails the domino effect will begin. The catalyst which is already quite old and tired will soon fail as will the AIR check valve and then the rubber hose attached to the check valve, etc. It might be time to look for a new vehicle. I’m surprised that old 3.8L is still running. ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/5 "2014-09-16T21:44:11Z")
AutoZone shows a lifetime warranty pump for about 170 bucks if you choose to fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Docnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Docnick](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Docnick)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/6 "2014-09-16T23:16:00Z")
@RodKnox Right; we had a 1976 Ford Granada with severe driveability problems. Removing the catalytic converter made the car run a lot better. Then the “smog pump” failed and the mechanic said there was no need to replace it, especially since the tubes to conduct the air were rusted through. So we plugged up the air ports and took all the air injection stuff off. The car ran well after that. I did feel like Henry Thorough in his essay on “Civil Disobedience”. If the government dictates something and the manufacturers cannot live up to it, I had the right to take corrected action with my investment. Ford’s emission control systems were dismal since the 1976 era was their early years. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/shadowfax/32/13026_2.png) [@shadowfax](https://community.cartalk.com/u/shadowfax)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/7 "2014-09-16T23:29:20Z")
Keep in mind while advocating “civil disobedience” that if OP lives in a state that does emissions testing, he’s shooting himself in the foot if he disables this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![bum4evr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@bum4evr](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bum4evr)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/8 "2014-09-16T23:29:30Z")
WOW! well thank you all so much! Air pump? great! So I can drive it! but there’s a tiny little problem - I live in California in LA county… and in February i need to have it “emissions tested” when registration is due - and an 84 is not old enough to be “exempt” here in Cali - so when i go to re-smog it… i would bet I need to have that part and belt in full working condition… or i will never pass smog test or even be allowed to take it… until i fix that air pump… (sigh) - but thank u all so much! I now know way more then I did a few hours ago thx 2 you car pros 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![missileman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/missileman/32/1366_2.png) [@missileman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/missileman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/9 "2014-09-16T23:40:39Z")
I can’t tell you how many air pumps I removed and tossed away. My own vehicles of course and I’ve never had to have a smog inspection. ---
**Author:** ![BustedKnuckles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bustedknuckles/32/25_2.png) [@BustedKnuckles](https://community.cartalk.com/u/BustedKnuckles)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/10 "2014-09-17T02:28:40Z")
I had an air pump on my 1990 Toyo pickup. Last of the 2-bbl carbs. It locked up and smoked the belt. Left it disconnected for years. Still passed emissions here annually for years on the tailpipe test. Never had to replace the original cat, and truck had 325,000 miles on it when the retaining wall jumped in front of it. ---
**Author:** ![pleasedodgevan2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ad7895/32.png) [@pleasedodgevan2](https://community.cartalk.com/u/pleasedodgevan2)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 8:21am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/11 "2014-09-17T08:21:20Z")
In Ca. you will need all smog equipment to be installed. You should get it fixed soon before the cat fails. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 9:26am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/12 "2014-09-17T09:26:23Z")
Isn’t there some kind of waiver in California if the cost of repair is too high on an older car? When Minnesota did this I’m sure there was an option for repairs that were unreasonable. I’m sure putting in a pump is up there in the $1000-1500 range which would be more than the car is worth. Maybe California just wants older cars off the road period. ---
**Author:** ![Cavell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/cavell/32/43396_2.png) [@Cavell](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cavell)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/13 "2014-09-17T19:43:44Z")
Used pump? Junkyard. Only in Cali will u find a 84 cutlas limping along. They all rusted away elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 3:51am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/14 "2014-09-18T03:51:32Z")
There are even shops that would rebuild that air pump for a modest price ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:10am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/15 "2014-09-18T04:10:00Z")
There is a waiver in California for low income folks if the fee gets too high, but I don’t think it applies if any part of the emissions equipment is missing. To get the car re-registered and get you tags, you’ll have to pass emissions. I expect you know that already. And the emissions testing places know exactly what components came with the original car when it was new. And the definitely do a visual inventory to make sure you have all of this equipment installed before they’ll even begin testing. So, yes, you’ll need to have a replacement air pump installed along with a new belt. If you have the patience of the biblical Job, you can try looking at the California Bureau of Auto Repair and the California DMV websites to get an idea what help they can give you financially. But unfortunately these public servants of ours don’t make the job very easy to find this information. The seem to try to go out of their way in to hide it. Still, best of luck to you. ---
**Author:** ![db4690](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/db4690/32/2583_2.png) [@db4690](https://community.cartalk.com/u/db4690)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/16 "2014-09-18T04:13:34Z")
I just don’t see a rebuilt air pump costing enough to qualify for a waiver ---
**Author:** ![ok4450](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ok4450](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ok4450)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 4:23am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/17 "2014-09-18T04:23:05Z")
There’s some remans on eBay for 50-75 bucks. Labor to change it unless it’s a DIY should not be much at all as the job is not that complicated. ---
**Author:** ![JayWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@JayWB](https://community.cartalk.com/u/JayWB)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:59am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/can-my-84-cutlass-run-without-an-oil-pump/87220/18 "2014-09-18T07:59:54Z")
The California waiver requires that you have to spend over (IIRC) $500 and still not be emissions compliant. That requires first, though, that ALL equipment be present. And it’s PER YEAR. So if you spend $500 this year on emissions repairs and it still fails, you get a pass anyway. $500 again next year. I’m fairly sure you can’t keep going on indefinitely, sooner or later you just have to make it pass.