I saw the 27 point vehicle form on that website
Looks like the same one I’m familiar with
Brings back some “good” memories
I have been told that to stop payment on a check because of a dissatisfied purchase is the wrong procedure and could be viewed as fraud. It is surprising that the FTC would recommend this.
As far as false advertising “runs and drives perfect” is subjective. How poorly did it drive when new? What is considered “perfect”?
I don’t mean to defend a business that sells poor quality vehicles to unsuspecting buyers but if dealers cannot sell cheap cars, I guess low income people will have to ride the bus.
The dealer doesn’t want to give up. He wants to do a trade in, and he won’t come pick up the car unless. I follow him back and see other car. I already contact The better Business Bureau and the NH, police. I already put a small court claim incase, because the dealer haven’t picked up my calls or text, after trying to tell me to do a trade in. He put my daughter safety in danger, by giving me a unsafe car. I will fight until the end, because of that. I will contact my local newspaper and the Boston, Fox 25 news. to see if they will back up my case and put him out in the media. I will make sure he don’t do what he did to anyone else.
I honestly have to thank you guys, because all the advice have been great help. I will keep you guys updated.
I assume you will not like me because I’m not completely on your side and not coddling you.
I ask again. Did you sign a contract with an “AS IS” disclaimer on it?
I will also state that the dealer did not put your daughter in danger due to an unsafe car that he “gave you”. The dealer “gave” you nothing. You did that to both her and yourself by buying an old cheap car from the Rust Belt and not having an inspection done on it pre-purchase.
Now you’re reverted to the BBB, the police, local newspaper and Fox News for moral support. along with this board. What happened to the attorney…
Get upset with me if you want. I’m just calling this as I see it.
The Federal Trade Commission is going to get involved in a $1500 used as is car deal, I don’t think so.
Like a few others, I am beginning to be a bit skeptical about the situation and the events described in this thread.
NH has no used car lemon law for cars that are no longer under factory warranty. If you had bought this car in Mass. it would have to pass state inspection or the sale could be rescinded.
You are completely out of luck.
Any money you spend on a lawyer will be wasted and I would be very surprised if you get a lawyer to take this case on a contingency basis.
You need to educate yourself on how to buy a used car. Salesmen and used car dealers have one job to do and one job only, to sell a car for as much money as they can get for it.
If you ever buy a house, the real estate agent does not represent you unless you hire a buyer’s agent. A bank’s lawyer or seller’s lawyer don’t represent you either. I can’t tell you about states where they use title companies instead of lawyers but if I moved to such a state I would find out before I buy a house. After is always too late.
I’m just worried that OP stopped payment on the check, and still has the car. That could be construed as theft. On top of getting ripped off on the car, the other party could, legitimately, go to the cops over this.
I think our leg is being pulled again. FTC, NH Police, TV news, BBB, Stop payment on check, plus filing a small claims court case on a $1500 car, and all in a day or two and over the weekend? If no money has been paid there is no case or claim. I’m not sure its the used car dealer that’s putting the daughter in danger though.
One of the pics in the ad clearly shows the FTC mandated “AS IS” disclaimer on the driver side rear glass; where most of them are located so they will be easily viewed (and often ignored) by the potential customer.
That car was never delivered until the customer signs off on that form; with one copy going to dealer files and the other to the customer.
The cut and paste below from the OP’s own words is pretty clear to me. NOW you read the papers you signed…
After i checked the copy i got and i saw that in one of the paper it said “Sold as is no warranty”.
The FTC only has jurisdiction in cases of interstate commerce.
I don’t entirely agree with Bing’s assessment that our legs are being pulled, but I’m not buying the OP’s stories either. There’s too much in his/her stories that just doesn’t make sense. My guess is that the OP is seriously misunderstanding the things he/she is being told. He/she made a terrible car purchase, perhaps got screwed by an unethical salesman, and is trying to find someone somewhere that can/will bail him/her out.
In NH, all used car sales are “as-is” by law except as otherwise stated in writing or unless fraud can be proven… which falls under the criminal statutes.
The really sad thing . . .
When this Toreass is returned or traded, you can bet your life that it will be resold as a creampuff, versus the hooptie that it really is
"The FTC only has jurisdiction in cases of interstate commerce."
Since the buyer claims to live in MA, but purchased the car in NH, I suppose that this does qualify as interstate commerce–albeit commerce with a low monetary value. However, I still think that this dramatic tale is…somehow…less than honest and may in fact just be an exercise in trolling.
Alright, Well yesterday I went down to the dealer. He is open from 10am to 7pm… He wasn’t at the dealership. I waited almost 4hours, but i did some shopping while being in the town. I was not just gonna waste time. I notice that there was a few people waiting for the dealer and i went to talk to them. The dealer actually gave them appointment that morning, which they waited 2hrs for him. They were there because he actually ripped them off too and gave them unsafe car and didn’t go by the contract. The people that were waiting sign sold “AS IS” as well. I told them my story and they actually reported him to the NH police and he even have a few court case that he needs to go to as well. I did report him and after i went to the NH court. I sent the dealer a few text and even call. I guess if he gets a few more complain the dealership will be close down and his license will be taken away. Today he is coming to pick up the car and will forget that all this happen. He doesn’t want any trouble for himself as he already in. He apologies for putting my baby in danger…which I think it is putting my baby life in danger, because he sold me a unsafe car. He was telling me he as well have kids and if he was in my situation, he would have done the same. I guess in the end. He just don’t want more trouble for himself.
P.S I thank you guys, even if some of you guys were not on my side. I understand, but i got this far thanks to all the advice and the links to the NH laws. I’m grateful and honor. THANK YOU <3
I would say those other people also need to take courses in Comprehension 101. What part of “AS IS” is so difficult to understand?
Court cases and complaints mean nothing.
Buy a brand new car with a warranty. Problem solved.
"What part of "AS IS" is so difficult to understand?"
Excellent point, as usual.
However, I guess that we shouldn’t be too surprised about that lack of comprehension.
After all, it seems that a huge percentage of people who post here about problems with their car are unable to unravel the…mystery…of a maintenance interval such as “every 5k miles or six months, whichever comes first”.
They seem to understand the 5k part, but when it comes to figuring out the elapsed time part of the statement, coupled with the “whichever comes first” proviso, their comprehension seems to die.
I bought a used 2003 ford focus, for $1,500 at a dealership. while i was there i asked many question about the car, if it work great and if it had any issue.
Did you really expect a car priced at $1500 would work great and not have any issues?
the guy who was selling the car, said there was nothing wrong with the car,
I suspect the unspoken part of this was “it has no problems beyond what any car that is priced at $1500 would be expected to have”.
i asked after if it would pass inspection, he said the car should pass inspection with problem.
Notice it says SHOULD pass, not WILL pass.
Now the thing is i'm a first time buyer. I don't know nothing about car, so i trust the dealer.
Why would you place any trust in someone you have absolutely no prior experience with over someone you do know that could go along and provide some advice? After all, the safety of your newborn is at stake!
after i had my boyfriend and his cousin check out the car and the car had many issue...... it has no horn, no e-brake... it wont even pass inspection and it has rust on both side of the car which was spray painted on top of it. it was not even cleaned right.
See above.
There are quite a few of these “dealers” along the MA/NH border that feed on naive people or those that do not have the financial wherewithall to afford a better car. They are constantly in the news about being in trouble with the local authorities due to the high number of complaints.
You live in MA which has some of the most comprehensive consumer protection laws in the country, especially when it comes to used cars. Many people choose to forego those protections and go across the border so they can save money on taxes, registration fees and mandated insurance in MA. I hope that was not your motivation because, as you can see, it was shortsighted. You won’t find many, if any, $1500 cars that can be legally registered in MA for that reason.
I’m glad to hear he took it back and you can go elsewhere to find a car that meets your needs. Although he had the legal edge, these guys operate on the fringe and really don’t want to kick up any more dust than necessary. As was seen by the waiting room, there are plenty of opportunities lining up for a chance.
I’ll be interested to hear what car you do find that meets the safety, reliability and aesthetic criteria you have set. I’m betting it is going to be at least double the price…
I suspect that whatever the next car is the OP will be complaining about it and calling that dealer a thief also; although we likely won’t hear about it on this forum.
Just a random story. About 1970 a guy opened up a small car lot here and at any one time he would have 6 to 8 cars on it; all rolling junk. The highest priced car you would see on that lot was in the 200 dollar range. He was in business for over 30 years and at the time of his passing the average price had risen to the 500-800 dollar range. He was very successful at flipping junk.
People who went in there knew exactly what they were getting on the cheap; a car that may last a week or one that may go for several years.
He didn’t even wash them or vacuum them out. The most they would get would be a tire aired up or a good used battery so they would start. He turned over a lot of cars in 30+ years and with very few complaints.
His customers were realists; something the OP in this thread is not.
He actually had a pretty decent looking old Subaru wagon sitting there one time for 400 bucks and I dropped in to look at it. I passed on it because the car had belonged to a rural mail carrier and not only was the interior ragged out it had a career’s worth of dirt in it. It would have taken a month to revamp the interior and the wearing out of several shop vacs to clean it.
In all seriousness, when one of the doors was slammed you could see the interior of the car turn into a mini dust storm.
I bought my first car when I was 17. They advertised a 1960 Morris Minor for $200. By the time I picked it up, the dealer felt so sorry for me that they had dropped the price to $125. I decided that I would put a total of $250 in repairs and then sell it if I had to. The engine didn’t run well, the transmission was shot, needed brakes, tires, etc. I put tires on it, painted it, re-did the interior, tires, etc. but still had the trans and engine to go so sold it. I never once blamed anyone except myself for the piece of junk I bought and felt fortunate they dropped the price by $75.