# Are drivers of certain makes of cars less safe? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824 "2023-11-12T23:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/21 "2023-11-13T21:18:33Z")
Thanks for the good comments above. My observations, Audi’s cause me the most grief by honking & failing to share the road in a respectful way, out of proportion to other brands. Porsche and Subaru much better, seldom cause me any grief. BMW drivers seem pretty courteous and respectful about sharing the road, but tend to drive a little faster than average. Maybe b/c BMW’s tend to be going faster, I notice they seem to have very good brakes, the ability to stop rapidly while holding a straight line. Not sure why BMW brakes would be any better than other makes though? ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/22 "2023-11-13T21:23:55Z")
> [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > Not sure why BMW brakes would be any better than other makes Take a gander at their rotors, the next time that you’re walking through a parking lot. BMW rotors tend to be significantly larger than many other makes. > [@George\_San\_Jose1](#): > > Audi’s cause me the most grief by honking & failing to share the road in a respectful way, out of proportion to other brands Several years ago, Top Gear’s Jeremy Clark said essentially the same thing. You’re not really him, posting under a pseudonym… are you? 😏 ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/23 "2023-11-13T21:29:06Z")
That’s funny! Red was the primary problem. 😉 I had a riverside gold 69 with the 427 and factory side pipes. Very early one Sunday morning coming down the expressway I was really cruising as I hadn’t seen any squad cars at all and few people on the road. Then one goes by on the other side and I figured no way he’s going to turn around to come after me. Wrong. Pulled me over quite a ways down the road. Know why you’re being pulled over? No. Speeding. Really? Look, when you’re passing traffic like that you can be pretty sure you’re going over the speed limit. Oh, sorry. Do you know how fast I had to go to catch up with you? No, but it must have been fun! Then he smiles and asks for my stuff. Comes back in a bit and asks about the car. Says to me “look, I have a '68 rag myself. I know these can get out of hand. Take it easy.” and hands me back my stuff. I don’t think he had any radar on me, just saw me cruising and had an excuse to check out the car (and do whatever that cop car could do to get caught up with me). ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/24 "2023-11-13T21:41:47Z")
> [@TwinTurbo](#): > > I had a riverside gold 69 with the 427 and factory side pipes. The manager at the gas station I worked at '72-'74 had a '66 427 with side pipes, large diameter black ones with no heat shields on them. I haven’t seen one since like that. He said he had to show several cops the factory part numbers on them when being stopped. ---
**Author:** ![weekend-warrior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/weekend-warrior/32/26122_2.png) [@weekend-warrior](https://community.cartalk.com/u/weekend-warrior)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/25 "2023-11-13T22:08:36Z")
Burnouts are required to maintain best vehicle emissions. 😉 🤪 🤣 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/8/1/811243d10abd34d50b227a6c25e41d5adb44c9cb.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/26 "2023-11-14T00:38:46Z")
> [@texases](#): > > with no heat shields on them Ankle biters! Mine had the factory shields which I always thought were a little ugly. I wanted the bare pipes at the time. Little did I know about the hazards they presented. The side pipes made a fantastic exhaust note. Wish I could hear that right now… ---
**Author:** ![TheWonderful90s](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/thewonderful90s/32/29584_2.png) [@TheWonderful90s](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TheWonderful90s)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/27 "2023-11-14T02:19:43Z")
The article acts like they have no idea that certain cars are marketed as being for performance and speed. Is a Corvette really 10 times as dangerous as a regular full size car? edit: another thing to consider is drivers of small fuel efficient cars may drive a lot more. This can make them appear to be more dangerous if the mileage is not considered when making the statistics. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:25am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/28 "2023-11-14T09:25:36Z")
> [@TheWonderful90s](#): > > Is a Corvette really 10 times as dangerous > as a regular full size car? No, but the driver might be! ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 12:01pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/29 "2023-11-14T12:01:16Z")
😂 regular burnouts! Like when I was in high school, I got a good deal on snow tires for my Plymouth Sport Fury that had the largest engine available, half the tread was gone by the first snow fall.😂 ---
**Author:** ![nofyfb\_180405](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@nofyfb\_180405](https://community.cartalk.com/u/nofyfb_180405)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/30 "2023-11-16T19:19:22Z")
Nice to see that you wised up! 😁 ---
**Author:** ![nofyfb\_180405](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@nofyfb\_180405](https://community.cartalk.com/u/nofyfb_180405)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/31 "2023-11-16T19:20:28Z")
Best emissions or best vehicles? It’s a rhetorical question - it’s chrysler, for God’s sake! ---
**Author:** ![nofyfb\_180405](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@nofyfb\_180405](https://community.cartalk.com/u/nofyfb_180405)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/32 "2023-11-16T19:22:54Z")
It’s not outdated - if scoda is vw, it’s constantly broken. Just like wv. ---
**Author:** ![D.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@D.J](https://community.cartalk.com/u/D.J)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 7:03am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/33 "2023-11-18T07:03:43Z")
Lol anecdotally i have heard many vehicle accidents are caused by BMW drivers because they change lanes at high speeds without using their turn signals ---
**Author:** ![wolyrobb](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/wolyrobb/32/45497_2.png) [@wolyrobb](https://community.cartalk.com/u/wolyrobb)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 7:42am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/34 "2023-11-18T07:42:15Z")
There are certain models that attract more aggressive drivers but I’ve met owners of BMW’s and Porsches for start that enjoy driving but save the fancy driving for the track or roads where they’re not going to encounter much if any traffic. The problem vehicles are a cross section of brands but usually the top performance model like a Hellcat or Shelby. We have a track about 30mi from here that offers a number of events where you can let loose a little but without competing against a clock or each other. The BMW club and the regional Mustang club have track days through the year and the members I’ve met aren’t happy with the behavior they see out on the roads either. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/35 "2023-11-18T13:46:09Z")
> [@D.J](#): > > i have heard many vehicle accidents are caused by BMW drivers because they change lanes at high speeds without using their turn signals Recently, I saw the “poster child” for those BMW drivers. On a 4 lane expressway (NJ Turnpike) this guy was in each one of the lanes–very briefly over the space of about 1/4 mile–as he wove back & forth, without using any signals. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/36 "2023-11-18T15:30:17Z")
Sounds like the LEOs in my area. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/37 "2023-11-18T16:13:03Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > without using any signals I must differ: Around where I live, it is _pickup trucks_, regardless of make, model, or vintage, that seem to have non-functiong directional signals. Second place: large vans, the kinds that plumbers and carpenters drive. I am being serious. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/38 "2023-11-18T18:40:38Z")
Blinkers are so little used here that people that move here ask if turn signals are an optional extra cost on vehicles sold in Tn… I almost always use my blinkers, I definitely use them when speeding… lol… ---
**Author:** ![D.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@D.J](https://community.cartalk.com/u/D.J)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/39 "2023-11-18T18:40:43Z")
I’ve seen many YouTube videos of BMW drivers doing that same kind of stuff. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/40 "2023-11-18T19:19:06Z")
I would say, here in CT, ‘blinker delinquency’ is about 10-20 percent among drivers of sedans and sport coupes, 50 percent of law enforcement, but soars to 70-80 percent of drivers of the aforementioned vans and pickup trucks. Perhaps drivers of such vehicles think their size or height somehow exempts them from indicating their intentions…? [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824.md?page=3)