# Are drivers of certain makes of cars less safe? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824 "2023-11-12T23:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/1 "2023-11-12T23:19:28Z")
According to this study, BMW, Subaru, and Porsche. Is it the driver, or the vehicle? Or is the study inaccurate, vehicle makes and their drivers have no relationship to the accident rate? > **[BMW, Subaru and Porsche drivers ‘more likely to cause a crash’, study finds](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/11/bmw-subaru-and-porsche-drivers-more-likely-to-cause-a-crash-study-finds)** > > Research found speeding or jumping a red light less likely in a Skoda or Hyundai than in brands sold as ‘performance driving’ ---
**Author:** ![galant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/77aa72/32.png) [@galant](https://community.cartalk.com/u/galant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/2 "2023-11-12T23:53:49Z")
This is the stuff insurances use to determine your risk. A minivan is considered to be driven much more safely than a Dodge Challenger. Now, one might have both cars and drive them both the same way. But as far as generalizations, recently I see more Tesla drivers going fast and not paying attention. Some makes gravitate to buyers that have a sense of achievement and entitlement. That has been my observation. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/christhetirewhisperer/32/34798_2.png) [@ChrisTheTireWhisperer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/ChrisTheTireWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:31am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/3 "2023-11-13T01:31:52Z")
Ain’t news to me! Drivers of those makes are entitiled. I see em around here, by-passing controlled intersections via corner gas stations and other establishments. Passing in the shoulders on highways, etc. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/4 "2023-11-13T02:10:47Z")
I’m sure some drivers are less safe, it’d be different in the US than this article (GB). ---
**Author:** ![RandomTroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/randomtroll/32/12184_2.png) [@RandomTroll](https://community.cartalk.com/u/RandomTroll)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:08am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/5 "2023-11-13T05:08:16Z")
Definitely! Have you ever seen a dangerous driver in a Skoda? ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:14am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/6 "2023-11-13T05:14:52Z")
KIA drivers are the most common speed demons I see. You also have to factor in the percentage of cars on the road. BMW and Porsche got to be low on the list. ---
**Author:** ![2fas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/2fas/32/36037_2.png) [@2fas](https://community.cartalk.com/u/2fas)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 8:45am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/7 "2023-11-13T08:45:18Z")
If I have to pick a brand, it would probably be KIA. Not only are these cars a target for theft lately but it also seems like they are more prone to accidents. But for the most part, I don’t see a real correlation with brands and the way people drive. You will see certain types of people drive a certain brand, but not nessarily the driving style. ---
**Author:** ![Purebred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/purebred/32/46796_2.png) [@Purebred](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Purebred)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/8 "2023-11-13T11:24:37Z")
True on the Skoda, can’t be driven faster than the two guys pushing it can push. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/9 "2023-11-13T12:36:04Z")
Skoda has been partly owned by VW since 1991 and totally since 2000. The cars are the cheaper version of VW models built on the same platform. So the image of slow, broken Skodas is a bit outdated. Around here the highway speedsters are often Land Rover models. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/10 "2023-11-13T13:00:44Z")
While they don’t necessarily drive a lot faster than other people, my observation is that drivers of two makes are much more likely to engage in dangerous tailgating: BMW VW If I am being tailgated, it is almost always done by one of those two marques. ---
**Author:** ![CapriRacer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/capriracer/32/22_2.png) [@CapriRacer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/CapriRacer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/11 "2023-11-13T13:24:30Z")
I think the question is stated wrong. It should say: Do dangerous drivers tend to buy certain kinds of cars. My answer is yes - and the same for other posters! ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/12 "2023-11-13T13:42:52Z")
> [@CapriRacer](#): > > Do dangerous drivers tend to buy certain kinds of cars. Kind of like the old question, Are all fishermen liars, or do only liars fish? ---
**Author:** ![TwinTurbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@TwinTurbo](https://community.cartalk.com/u/TwinTurbo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/13 "2023-11-13T13:58:05Z")
Idiots know no limitations. There are plenty of them to go around. Careless and reckless drivers are out there driving every kind of vehicle. There are no stereotypes that hold consistently. ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/14 "2023-11-13T15:52:34Z")
I see your typical vehicles driving fast, but also I have been passed a lot while doing 80-85 MPH by mini vans, Prius’s, big SUV’s and full size trucks flying by me pushing 3 digits or more… Most Corvettes, Porsches and other fast high end sports cars are sometimes the slower cars on the road… In my area anyway… I tend to speed more in my stock Vibe/Matrix then my hot rod…lol ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/15 "2023-11-13T16:45:23Z")
> [@davesmopar](#): > > Most Corvettes, Porsches and other fast high end sports cars are sometimes the slower cars on the road… In my area anyway… That’s the case in my area, also. The typical Corvette owner in my area is a Senior Citizen who drives very sedately. And, as potentially fast as Porsches are, I have yet to see one driven anywhere near as recklessly as most of the VWs that I observe. ---
**Author:** ![Renegade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Renegade](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Renegade)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/16 "2023-11-13T16:51:58Z")
> [@It\_s-Me](#): > > Are all fishermen liars, or do only liars fish? Hey I resemble that remark. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/17 "2023-11-13T16:55:40Z")
And we can’t leave out ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/9/7/9711bb01e895af8c676e370889db1b133e780402.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![davesmopar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/davesmopar/32/41750_2.png) [@davesmopar](https://community.cartalk.com/u/davesmopar)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/18 "2023-11-13T17:36:52Z")
Yet another, most likely young guy in/with daddy’s car or money one, that doesn’t have the experience or know how or even understand how to handle a vehicle with big power on the street trying to show off for a crowd… They just don’t understand the gas pedal is NOT an on/off switch, it can be adjusted how much it is being pushed… Basically anything over about 600HP is useless on the street unless on DOT slicks… It is all about power management… And yes it is nothing now to have 1500 HP plus on the street now a days… ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/19 "2023-11-13T17:39:08Z")
> [@davesmopar](#): > > Most Corvettes, Porsches and other fast high end sports cars are sometimes the slower cars on the road I owned a red 84 Corvette during the 55 mph highway speed and radar gun days. I couldn’t speed … ever… because Ohio’s Finest acted like they were trying to cook me with radar guns even driving 54 mph in the right lane. My radar detector was screaming past every cop. I couldn’t have drawn more attention if I’d duct taped a girl with a box of donuts in her hand to the roof. My silver Honda S2000 was a different story. Completely invisible to LEOs. ---
**Author:** ![texases](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/texases/32/862_2.png) [@texases](https://community.cartalk.com/u/texases)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824/20 "2023-11-13T18:38:49Z")
> [@davesmopar](#): > > Yet another, most likely young guy in/with daddy’s car or money one, that doesn’t have the experience or know how or even understand how to handle a vehicle with big power on the street trying to show off for a crowd Maybe, but you’ll have hours of entertainment if you search out ‘Mustang driver fails’, they turn many ‘Cars and Coffee’ events (and other informal get togethers) into a ‘showoff followed by crash’ event. [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/are-drivers-of-certain-makes-of-cars-less-safe/193824.md?page=2)